This is Terrorism

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Gina B, Sep 25, 2013.

  1. Gina B

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    When we think of terrorism, most of us likely flash to images of planes crashing into buildings or bloodied hostages crying out in pain. Those acts are terrible when they happen, but the goal of terrorism isn't to bring about anguish in a few traumatizing acts of insane horror, but to instill a constant level of fear and distrust among many. When people live in such conditions, they inevitably turn even against themselves. While our nation focuses on the larger acts of terrorism, it seems that the majority ignores this insipid threat to our nation - the smaller scale damage done to undermine who we are and how we live.
    Are we winning the war against terrorism?
    I think about that, and then I see news like the following and I can't help but think to myself "no, we already lost."
    http://www.okcfox.com/story/2352609...picious-package-near-edmond-north-high-school
    This story is simply about a lost lunchbox that found its way towards a drainage ditch near a school, but look at the results. What once was perfectly normal now struck fear and terror into a multitude. Trained officials were dispatched at major expense. The road was closed. According to another news agency (News9.com) the school, Edmond North High School, was put on lockdown. If you are a parent who has been through a lockdown, or a teacher who has taken your students through a lockdown, you know how rough going through the ordeal can be on everyone.
    These incidents are happening across the United States on a regular basis. People do not feel safe. Citizens are on edge. We can't even trust that a child lost a lunchbox without calling out the bomb squad. Sure, go ahead and carry 3.4 ounces of water onto that airplane, but if you carry 3.5 ounces, TSA and maybe even your fellow passengers are going to be on you like glaze on hot Easter ham because once you add that extra ounce, it automatically becomes a suspicious substance. (http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-information/prohibited-items) Are you a female that, for any reason, wears a head covering? Well, aren't YOU suspicious, my love! Did I just type the words terrorist, hostage, airplane, suspicious substance, and bomb? Well, now I'm probably suspect too, sitting here in my own country, in my own home, attempting to simply open up the conversation about what is going on in our country.
    When we live in constant fear, the terrorist have already won. When I can't trust that a child lost a lunchbox, that my flying companion is merely thirsty, and that the person shopping next to me has their head covered because they may have cancer, may think it's pretty, may be a Christian who believes in it, may be Jewish, or any variety of reasons, along with the multitude of other perfectly normal things that have everyone calling out special services and spending zillions of dollars on special equipment and special training and special forces, then yes, they won.
    We were terrorized and the result is that we are living in fear.
    It's time people stopped and grasped that concept.
    We already lost. We are now a nation controlled by fear.
    That needs to change.
    I don't see it changing. Instead, I see it getting worse.
    How do we change it?
    Does it have to get worse before it gets better?
    What about freedom? Must they all be given up in order to be able to stop living in fear for our safety?
    I think that's the real question we're looking at now.
    There really isn't any way to go back. All this wonderful new technology has intimately linked our world. We are connected and cannot disengage and root out terrorists no matter how hard we try without giving up freedom.
    But hey, that's a really cool I-phone you have!
     
  2. Revmitchell

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    Until we actually engage the terrorists where they are at and call them what they are and actually acknowledge who it is that is doing it then this will never change.
     
  3. Gina B

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    Revmitchell, how do we engage them where they are? Did you read the Kenya mall terrorist news? They appear to have come together from multiple countries.

    This comes back to giving up freedom. When the terrorists are our neighbors and friends, how do we maintain our freedom while engaging them where they are at?

    What do you call them, Revmitchell? Who are the terrorists?
     
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    However, there are countries that harbor these people and support them. The funding comes from places like Iran. Shut the finding down.

    Close the boarders and stop letting them come in illegally. But the finding for this activity comes from terrorist states. Organizations like CAIR need to be shut down as well. Aljazeera America needs to be run out of town.

    Islamists, this religion is a threat to the world. Those who are not in agreement with this majority of the rest of this relgion need to be outspoken and condemn it. But be sure it is not just a minority of Islamists.
     
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    Revmitchell, have you researched and found out just how much funding those based in the United States appear to get and where they get it from? How much money has the welfare program been defrauded of by those with links to terrorist organizations?
    That is our own money that we work for and hand over to the government. That appalls me. However, if anyone wanted to do more intense security checks on who gets welfare, everyone would scream that it is a violation of rights.
    Yet, if you do a bit of research, you'll be disturbed at what you find.

    Your comment about Islam - is it your belief that this religion, as a whole, should be illegal?
     
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    It is worse than that much of the so called "aid" that goes overseas ends up in terrorist hands.
     
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    You are so right, Gina. During the Navy yard "hot coverage" times I threw my headset at the tv (we wear wireless ones so the tv audio doesn't have to be loud as we listen to it while doing our errands at home, and I'm a little hard of hearing, too).

    That's because I'm tired of hearing these media people focusing on the emotions of two or three people they interview and say the "people" are scared, nervous, afraid, etc., etc., etc.

    The fact is the majority of Americans are NOT scared. It is the media and the police and the feds who are suggesting to people that they are scared. I'm not scared, my wife is not scared, my neighbors are not scared, the people on the streets are not scared. If they are, then traffic will be real light.

    When 9/11 just happened, the main thinking among the people was "we are NOT going to let "them" run our lives". no. that was not misspelled. it was not mean to be "ruin".

    But the media focuses on the negative because it's good for ratings, and it kowtows to what the Great Narcissist wants, an unarmed public, a fearful public, a government-dependent public.
     
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    Amen, PinoyBaptist. I refuse to be afraid, or let my family and friends live in fear. In fact, most will not, simply because they will not let the media tell them what attitude to have.

    Gina, the truth is, we are simply more alert, not losing our freedoms. We may be inconvenienced at the airport, but even there, where we have "lost freedom"? Are we denied the right to fly, to move about freely, to travel outside the country? Even when a travel advisory is issued for certain countries, does the government disallow U.S. citizens to fly there?

    The answer to all these questions is "no." Inconvenience is not "lost freedom," is it just inconvenience, and for good reason.

    As Bill O'Reilly said the other night on his Talking Points Memo at the beginning of the show, "The truth is that Muslim jihadists want to kill Christians and Jews." Can you deny that? Does it frighten you? Or, like me and most others, does it just piss you off?

    O'Reilly's Memo is here, and it is well worth watching: http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/09/24/oreilly-world-failing-confront-true-nature-muslim-terrorism

    He tells the truth. We are trying to fight a war while remaining politically correct. Imagine insisting that Germans were still basically "good people" while fighting the war of attrition we have fought against global terrorism? Think it would have worked? Imagine holding back our reaction to Japan's bombing of Pearl Harbor because we didn't want to demonize Asian people. Would the history regarding the Pacific Theater of World War II read the same?

    We need to do everything we are doing to fight terrorism, and we need to do vastly more. We are criticized by our own people of "inserting ourselves" into Muslim countries, saying we should leave them alone. Leaving them alone is what led to 9/11 in the first place. We need to fight radical Islam no matter where it is, with every tool at hand -- militarily, financially, socially, ideologically -- just as we successfully fought communism for 70 years. We were not politically correct toward the old Soviet apparatchiks, and we should not be politically correct toward the jihadists.

    We have an Empty Suit in the White House, a Great Pretender, who doesn't understand leadership, who doesn't understand the force of right tempered with charity, who doesn't understand the very country which allowed him to rise to a major first in our history. Harry Truman was merciless in prosecuting war against Japan. He probably made a decision regarding the atomic bombs that FDR would have refused, despite having spent the development money on the weapons. Then the old Southern Baptist from Missouri extended great charity -- with a bullwhip in his hand -- to rebuild the nation he helped destroy. This moron occupying the White House now is giving this country away through socialist thought, word and action, both domestically and in foreign policy. He is a dangerous individual, one who has the potential to bring this country down after 226 years of freedom, democracy, and status as the greatest nation on earth -- all because he will not do the right thing as it has always been defined in America, but thinks there is a "better" right thing, which is actually very near treason.

    And the belief that we are "losing freedom" because we are at war is aiding and abetting his cause.
     
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    The government can now spy on us without warrants, track our every move and lock us up indefinitely without due process if it feels like it. The govt can take our children away and force feed them SSRI drugs if it feels like it. The president can even execute us without due process if he feels like it.

    And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

    But hey Gina don't you worry that's just a minor inconvenience.

    You aren't going to get any real answers about restoring our lost liberties from conservatives especially the "neo" conservatives that hang on every word coming from the Saudi (Sunni Muslim dictatorship) controlled Fox News Network. The fact is they hate the idea of individual liberty almost as much as the liberals. Maybe even more so.

    If the government were as worried about Islamic extremists as much as they say then they'd stop training, funding and arming them. It's as simple as that.

    Fear is the great motivator Gina. All despots through out history have used fear to control large populations. Our despots are no different whether they call themselves democrats or republicans, liberals or conservatives. If we had no enemies at all the authoritarians in both parties would invent one to keep us in a constant state of fear and emergency.

    That's how they gain the three things they covet most. More money, more power and more control. While the liberals and conservatives fight amongst themselves over which authoritarian party is going to be "in control" of government the despots in both parties are dreaming up ways to make everyone more dependent on government and praying for the next big "incident" to come along that they can use to ramp up the fear to gain even more money, more power and more control.
     
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