This just in, Futurists. Nineveh will be destroyed!

Since you involved me in the post I would hope you expected a response.
We are still sheep in the midst of wolves that hasn't changed in fact the wolves devouring Christians increased after 70 A.D. and then the big bad wolf took a form of the sheep and became a wolf in sheeps clothing. When the emporor Constantine formed a branch of Governnment to control Christianity. It still exist today. That wolf devoured even more like, Wycliffe and Tyndale just to name a few. If you went against it's doctrine you were executed. Today not in america but in many countires believers are tortured and killed for their faith. Satan is still seeking whom he may devour. Isaiah was a literal event to come, in the kingdom as the world reverts back to the time before Noah and even the fall that mankind and animals ate no flesh but were all vegitarians. Just as it was pre-flood and in the Garden so shall the time Christ restores peace on earth for all mankind in His milinial kingdom.

 

I have more proof that Christ came in 1948 than you do that he came in 70 A.D. Harold Camping makes a pretty good case too. There is no evidence for any spiritual return just as there is no such thing as a spiritual resurrection, as the J.W.'s claim. It is not I that is not dealing with things of reality here. You want proof of things non-existent. How absurd is that?

A little grammar is in need here. Please pay attention:

Do you recognize these words:

We the people Who are the people being referred to? The writers of course! Or at least the writers and the American citizens of that time making (according to your kind of grammar) your American Constitution null and void for today. This is the kind of logic that you are applying to the Bible.

If I am denying the Bible you are denying that you have a Constitution to live under. Learn some grammar!

First, the Jews always referred to His Coming as one in power in Glory, as described in Mark 8:38, never an invisible one. He would come with his angels. He was coming to set up his kingdom. That is what they expected then, and most of them rejected Him on that basis. "He came to his own and his own received him not."
Even his own disciples:
"Lord, will thou at this time set up thine kingdom?"
They were still expecting an earthly kingdom after the resurrection and before the ascension. The AND refers to the thousand years of Kingdom rule by Christ, and then will come the end of the age. That is what was being asked.

And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? (Matthew 24:3)
--3 Questions separated by two "ands."

Pluto is made up of blue cheese. It is inhabited by little green men who also eat blue cheese. They will be very kind to you in the judgment day if you do what they say. If you want to know what they demand of you ask me. I have their instruction manual.
That is an example. I can claim anything I want and you can't prove me wrong. That is the basis on how cults are started. I believed in Christianity on the basis of the literal resurrection of Christ and that it could not be proven wrong. My faith is not blind, but you are operating on a blind faith on something that cannot be proven. It has as much proof as the invention of my little cult above. You can't prove me wrong. So why not believe me??

All my beliefs have some basis in fact. Faith must have a basis in fact. The object of my faith is Christ. The reason of my faith in Christ is His resurrection. They are not myths. As he went so he shall come. Physically. Every eye shall see him. I don't believe in those thing which have no basis in fact.

I don't believe that Christ has returned because he hasn't returned. Just because he hasn't returned is no reason to doubt the Scriptures.

 

2 Peter 3: 2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

It is amazing how Peter knew of the preterist even in his day and let us know that they would be scoffing at the truth in our day!

2 Thesalonians 2:
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Paul tells us that there must be a falling away from the church and that the man of sin be revealed before Christ return. So again when did a falling away from the church occur before 70 A.D. I believe history says the church was increasing not having a falling away. When was the man of sin revealed, these are not spiritual events these are literal, things that would be seen for signs of Christ return.

2 Timothy 4: 8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

I still love His soon coming and there is laid up for me a crown of Righteousness. One is there for all who in these last days are looking for and loving His appearing.

 

The problem for the preterist is that he cannot show where this prophetic event in Isaiah 11 has happened. All the verses in Isaiah 11 are spoken in future tense and do not refer back to the Garden of Eden. It is a prophetic event, something that we have not seen )from the time of the Garden of Eden onward), something that Tom and others cannot account for.

 

That I realize very much but you said at no time in history.

 

Of course Tom.
The Resurrection was metaphorical.
The Return of Christ was metaphorical.
Our resurrection will be metaphorical.
The actual way of salvation is metaphorical.
The entire sacrifice and atonement for our sins is metaphorical.
It is just a metaphorical book full of fairy tales where one can make it say anything they want to.

 

You said it is "metaphorical" (actually Isa was a metaphore), like the Greek Gods had all the Metaphorical things they did. So the return of Christ in 70 A.D. is a metaphore not a real literal event it's like Greek Mythology and we only need to believe it that way to agree with the preterist. Sorry God doesn't work His promises in mataphores, if He did then Christ first advent would have only been needed metaphorically not literally. Is that what you are saying that Christ coming at His first advent was a mataphorical event just really spiritual not literal?

Sorry I can't and won't accept it that way. Neither will I accept a metaphorical (spiritual) kingdom or return of Christ. God said it would happen literally I believe it that way.

 

Elijah is a good example.
John the Baptist came in the spirit of Elijah.
He was not that Elijah that was prophesied to come.
Often a prophecy has a near and a far fulfillment. John was that near and partial fulfillment. But as Malachi looked down the road of prophecy he saw another Elijah on the horizon, one that is still yet to come; one that I believe will appear in Revelation chapter 11 as one of the two witnesses. Elijah has not died yet. The Bible says that all men will die. There Elijah will do great wonders and there he will die.

A rule of thumb in hermeneutics is to take the Bible literally in all cases unless the immediate context gives direct instruction to take it otherwise, such as in a metaphor, simile or or obvious figure of speech. This is a basic rule of hermeneutics. I don't see any reason one should avoid it, thus voiding the literal and still future coming of Christ.

 

All Scripture is in harmony with each other. Perhaps Christ was speaking in parables so that those around him could not completely understand.
I believe John's father knew exactly who is son was

And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord. (Luke 1:17)


But he also knew that Elijah was yet to come.

 

Very disappointing - you can do better than that, can't you? You know, you CAN be a futurist WITHOUT creating another Elijah out of thin air. But your dispensational community won't allow it.

Jesus said that "Elijah IS come", and "this IS Elijah". Can it be more plain and obvious?

 

And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. And they which were sent were of the Pharisees. And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet? John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John 1:21-26)

John himself denied that he was Elijah, but as Scripture foretold, and he verified, "one crying in the wilderness" a forerunner of Christ.