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Discussion in 'Politics' started by Crabtownboy, Oct 4, 2013.
This says it all about the House Republicans stance, even they do not know what they want.
well, do the Dems know what the Affordable Care Act is all about that they have so adamantly refused to postpone its implementation ?
Yep, and I heard a quote yesterday from a Republican but can't remember who said it. Something like, "Obama has to give us something, he just has to, but I don't know what it will be."
It's amazing (and sad) to see the community organizer outwit career politicians and professional negotiators.
Wow, this quote from Stutzman certainly made its way into every liberal rag online, on-air, and in print, that act as apologists for the Great Pretender's failed administration.
Funny how they miss the point that the GOP leadership is making, though, isn't it?
From the same article ...
Cantor's last remark refers to the the "bill after bill after bill" Speaker Boehner mentioned, bills that fund the government except for the ACA, which is a disaster and deserves to be gutted, scrapped completely, or at the very least reworked. When the Republicans are passing budget bills hand over fist and the Democrats are petulantly, childishly insisting, "No, no, no! I want it all or there will be nothing for anyone!" and refusing to discuss anything short of "it all," then, Houston, we have a problem. And it isn't the GOP. They're getting blame, but the American people are also blaming the Democrats. That's progress, but the truth is, the Republican-dominated House is doing the job it was elected to do. The Democrats are holding the government hostage for an idiot's "legacy."
And as to Stutzman? Again, same article:
And how, exactly, is that "clear"? It is clear by the fact that 56% of Americans -- once again, that's five and half percent more than voted for the Empty Suit -- want the ACA gutted of scrapped. Overwhelming numbers of Americans think Congress is failing to do its job and the Great Pretender's approval ratings are under half in less than a year of his "reelection." But what gets bannered all over the media? Stutzman's "I don't know" remark. Completely irresponsible journalims, unfair, unbalanced, and wrong.
I guess I shouldn't find it amazing, but I do: The liberal media has forfeited its obligation to fairly and equitably report the facts, and has become a mouthorgan for the Democrats and their incompetent, ineffective idol, the Great Pretender.
"Republicans have sent bill after bill after bill to the Senate to keep the government open, and Democrats have rejected every one of them - refusing to even talk about our differences," Boehner said.
Yes, bill after bill with provisions to strip something out of ObamaCare. Not negotiating on ObamaCare with the shutdown process was a flag that Obama planted in the ground weeks ago and reiterated it practically daily leading up to Oct. 1st. He's simply not going to bend. Republicans have called his bluff and he's not bending. They lost. Again.
Nope. Bill after bill to fund government operations except the ACA. There's a vast difference. The Republicans have made it clear they don't want to shut down the government, they only want to defund, alter, or repeal an exceptionally bad piece of legislation that was 1) lied about from the start, 2) hidden from public scrutiny, 3) designed solely to destroy a segment of the free enterprise system (the insurance companies), 4) put the medical and pharmaceutical industries out of business and fold them into government programming, 5) create exorbitant taxation that will not be accountable in any visible way and can therefore be spent by the Great Pretender anywhere in anyway he sees fit, without Congressional oversight (he's already proven his willingness to do so on a smaller scale), and 6) establish socialism as the system of governance in a country that was founded on democratic ideals and republican representation, concepts the Great Pretender, I am more and more convinced, is out to destroy.
There is absolutely none of that the majority of the American people want, and the Republicans are absolutely right in fighting an intractable, childish administration and puppet regime in the Senate in order to avoid the ACA's full enactment.
It's not a "flag", its sheer idiocy, and has never been the policy of any of his predecessors. Clinton negotiated with Gingrich and the Republican leadership throughout the weeks leading up to the last shutdown. The Great Pretender is a liar when he says such negotiation is "unprecedented." Newsflash: That's the way a democracy administered by a representative republican model works. Always has, always will. Compromise is governance.
The Great Pretender is assuming the role of dictator, and the American people aren't going to stand for that very long, either.
No, they haven't. And they will make him bend. He isn't going to have a choice. Nothing will be passed if he doesn't acquiesce. And it shouldn't.
The Republicans are standing in the gap for democracy, and the Great Pretender is going to have to blink.
Yes, he will blink. Around Oct. 15th or so. He will deign to flick a crumb off his table to the salivating idiots.
He'll fold on the ACA. It is obvious it has problems, it is obvious it is unpopular. Slow websites, those that do get on are there to ask how to avoid penalities, not to sign up for insurance. So far only 1.5% have actually signed up. Those who log on to the sites find they can't even get a quote until they provide all their personal and financial information, and the quotes are higher than they are being told. Lack of participating insurers in most states means lack of choice and lack of competition, and many are choosing to remain in higher-cost employer-provided or personal health insurance plans for the fact of being free to get the best deal.
ACA is rapidly showing its massive weaknesses. There won't be enough who sign up to support the program financially, which will result in higher taxes, more debt, less freedom of choice, etc. If he doesn't save it, and his butt, both of them will bottom out and be scrapped at the same time. You can believe that or not, but its happening now.
Yes, this is his possible end game. He could delay implementation of the personal mandate to 2014 so it coincides with the employer mandate. He could cite computer glitches or problems with computers communicating between government departments. That way it doesn't look so much as if it's his fault.
But if you think he's going to scrap ACA...
That Community Organizer has some pretty savvy cabinet members & staff, most have been around the block. First & foremost, Slick Willie.
If he delays it a year, he won't have a choice. A Republican majority in both houses puts an end to this nonsense.
For as much as the posters in this thread perceive the true nature of the situation, you should have gotten starring roles in "Dawn of the Dead."
Never has there been so much effort put forth to prove a gap exists between the two parties, when none does.
Here is a mathematical formula for you:
Number of House members (435) + Number of Senate members (100) + one President + one Vice President + the number of posters on this thread (5 excluding me) = The Number of People Dropped on Their Head at Birth
Hmmm ... let's see:
GOP: Wants the ACA dead or dismembered.
DP: Wants the ACA fully implemented.
GOP: Full disclosure on Benghazi, the IRS, NSA, etc.
DP: "Doesn't matter."
GOP: Taxes shouldn't be increased for anyone and that wages should be set by the free market.
DP: Minimum wages and progressive taxation i.e. higher tax rates for higher income brackets.
GOP: Increased spending for military, intelligence, preparedness.
DP: Decreased spending for all the above.
GOP: Oppose (though some Republicans disagree) gay marriage.
DP: Support (though some Democrats disagree( gay marriage.
GOP: Abortion should not be legal; oppose Roe v. Wade (some Republicans disagree)
DP: Abortion should not be made illegal; support Roe v. Wade (some Democrats disagree).
GOP: A large majority of Republicans support the death penalty.
DP: While support for the death penalty is strong among Democrats, opponents of the death penalty are a substantial fraction of the Democratic base.
GOP: Gun control should be the minimum required to assure criminals and terrorists don't acquire guns.
DP: Gun control is strongly supported among many, but some believe gun availability should be severely curtailed or eliminated all together.
GOP: Social and human ideas are based on individual rights and justice.
DP: Social and human ideas are based on community and social responsibility.
GOP: The free enterprise system that has brought about economic growth and innovations that have made this country great, and people should be encouraged by the government to use their talents and abilities to stimulate a healthy and constantly growing business environment.
DP: The economy is too complicated to be successfully navigated by any one person and should therefore be guided by government officials and in the best interests of the labor unions.
GOP: All students, regardless of race or socioeconomic background, should become proficient in both reading and math, and that schools should be held accountable for student progress through testing, which can be used to identify individual childrens’ needs, and ensure educator accountability.
DP: Tests burden teachers and waste classroom instruction time. They also believe children should be forced to stay in schools that fail to teach the basic skills, further arguing that literacy should be left for teachers’ unions to define rather than local PTAs or other parent groups.
GOP: Respecting the enrichment of society and contributions to the economy immigrants have brought to this country while viewing the lack of security along our borders as contributing to the flow of narco-trafficking, gang violence, and the yearly forced servitude and slavery of over 50,000 women and children from foreign countries by human smugglers, making it necessary to enforce immigration policies that provides border security so as to ensure the safety of all citizens.
DP: As the world superpower, it is a fundamental requirement of the United States to provide unconditional aid and comfort to the citizens of other nations, which requires open borders, unconditional amnesty, and laws of this nation to be curtailed to provide non-emergency assistance and legal forms of identification to foreign nationals, legal or illegal in standing.
The only ones who have been dropped on their heads at birth are the parrots around here that keep chanting "there is no difference" between the political parties. Put a sock in it. It's growing tiresome.
Republicans say, "It is the Democrats. If they do not want to continue the shutdown all they have to do is compromise or make a few concessions. How can Obama negotiate with tyrants like Iran, Russia and Syria but not the House majority."
Well, what if Russia or China said, "We will use cyber-attacks to shutdown your government and wreck your economy if you do not make a few concessions." Do you think we should make those concessions? Would you negotiate with them with that attitude?
I don't think so.
Well that says it all right there. Its all on him.
That's not even remotely comparable. Obama stated early and often that he would not accept a CR that defunds or otherwise attacks the ACA. Now he's following through on what he said.
A better comparison would be this. Supposing a Republican President had presided over reforming Social Security, privatizing a portion of it for those that elected to go that route. The government faced the same situation we are in now--without a budget or a continuing resolution the government would shut down on October 1st.
In August, the Democrat controlled House started making noise about attaching an amendment to repeal the Social Security Reform Act to the continuing resolution bill. The Republican President starts saying he will not allow the Social Security Reform Act to be repealed or otherwise altered and instructs the Republican controlled Senate to reject any attempt to change the law. He continues to affirm throughout August and September that he will not accept any deal that has the Social Security Reform Act in it.
So would this hypothetical Republican President be an intractable, bull-headed non-negotiator? Or is he standing up for his principles and his signature legislative triumph?
"A government governs best which governs least."
This quote is usually attributed to Henry David Thoreau, though sometimes to Thomas Jefferson, though it does not appear in the latter's writings. But maybe we'll see how truthful it is with the current happenings.
The budget must originate in the house. The house has the discretion to fund what it believes should funded or not fund what it believes it should not fund. The President does not get everything he wants. And just because something passed when it wsa controlled by all dems does not mean it has to be funded now. More information has come to light to show why obamacare will hurt the country.
What Obama and the dems should do is say ok you have some concerns. Let's see what we can come up with to move this forwards. Just simply saying it is all our way or nothing only shows their true agenda. It is irresponsible and immature.
I live in west central Indiana and I don't know much about Stutzman. I had to look up where the 3rd Indiana is--it is Fort Wayne, Indiana, etc. My Congressman is Rokita, a former IN Sec. of State. The best known Hoosier Congressman was Pence but he is now IN Gov. I think that Stutzman does represent young conservative thinking.
One thing that I think that the GOP is getting out of this stupid crisis is a good look at the Democrat leadership. We have President Obama who can't or won't negotiate with the GOP about anything. And then we see more and more how strange Sen. Maj. Leader Harry Reid is--a Nevada Mormon with no scruples and representing all that is bad in Mormonism. And then there is the even stranger Nancy Pelosi, rich with the wealth of a husband who owns Chicken of the Sea tuna, who was recently denied communion worldwide by a court in the Vatican for her advocacy of abortion on demand. Many Catholics have told me that they think that Pelosi is not only grandiose but certifiably insane.
I have an idea that Congressman Stutzman is not the only Hoosier Republican laughing at the Democrats.
It's been the law for 4 years. Why should its implementation be delayed?