Thomas Jefferson and Muslim Terrorists

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  1. Ps104_33

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    Found it interesting that we were dealing with Muslim terrorists as far back as 1785 in the war against the Barbary pirates. American trading ships were being forced to pay tribute to North African Muslim piratical city-states.

    ".........one cannot get around what Jefferson heard when he went with John Adams to wait upon Tripoli’s ambassador to London in March 1785. When they inquired by what right the Barbary states preyed upon American shipping, enslaving both crews and passengers, America’s two foremost envoys were informed that “it was written in the Koran, that all Nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon whoever they could find and to make Slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.” (It is worth noting that the United States played no part in the Crusades, or in the Catholic reconquista of Andalusia.)"

    And we had our appeasers at the time:

    There were many Americans—John Adams among them—who made the case that it was better policy to pay the tribute. It was cheaper than the loss of trade, for one thing, and a battle against the pirates would be “too rugged for our people to bear.” Putting the matter starkly, Adams said: “We ought not to fight them at all unless we determine to fight them forever.”


    http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=27956


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Barbary_War
     
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  2. Eliyahu

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    I heard about this when I read the history of US/England War(1812), and about US/France.
     
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    Following the American Revolution America was no longer under the protection of the British tribute treaties, resulting in the crippling of American commerce in the Mediterranean. Having no significant Navy; the U.S. decided to form tribute treaties with the Barbary states, such as this 1796 Treaty of Tripoli.
    I found Article 11 of this treaty to be eye-opening.
    What is one to make of this statement?

    Article 11 states:


    "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Musselman; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interpretation of the harmony existing between the two countries."

    What would Jerry Falwell and Dr. James Kennedy say about that?
     
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    http://www.geocities.com/aprofaith/crusades.htm
     
  5. JDale

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    I don't know what they would say. Here's what I would say. The statement is, in fact, correct. There is NO union between any particular Christian Church and the United States Government. THAT is what our founders sought to avoid. No State decision to go to war would be based on purely religious considerations or biases. That's what this MEANS.

    On the other hand, the US has tried for over 200 years to convince the "Barbary Pirates" and their modern day counterparts, Islamofiascist terrorists, that our nation IS NOT "Christian" in the organizational or institutional sense. Yet, they still call us "crusaders." Hmmm...?

    Oh, and they still vow to wipe us off the face of the earth -- because WE are infidels.... Hmmm...?

    The question, then, isn't really about what Falwell or Kennedy think -- or even what WE as Americans think.... The question is, when will SO MANY Americans get a CLUE what the Islamofascists think!?

    JDale
     
  6. JDale

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    Wow! I'm batting a thousand on this part of the forum! No one is even answering! Must mean I'm right [​IMG]

    JDale
     
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    You are. The liberals just haven't seen this thread yet, lol.
     
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    Nor, the neo conservatives, lol.
     
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