Those who concede errors in the Scriptures n order to remove conflict with science

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    John A. Broadus
    Professor of New Testament Interpretation and Homiletics,
    Southern Baptist Theological Seminary (1859 – 1895)

    The inspired writers learned many things by observation or inquiry, but they were preserved by the Holy Spirit from error whether in learning or in writing these things. …Those who concede errors in the Scriptures as to matter of fact, in order to remove conflict with some scientific opinions of our time, may tell us that they have great satisfaction in being at peace with science. But there are two drawbacks upon such a peace. It is the peace of sheer submission. …And it is only a partial and temporary peace. Other scientific men at once make still further demands, tending ever toward the complete abandonment of the supernatural. …If we assume that the inspiration of the Bible is only partial where are we to stop? Every man must then select adlibitum what portions of the Bible's teachings he will accept as true.
    --A Catechism of Bible Teaching (1893);
    --Three Questions as to the Bible (1883)
     
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    ALL scientific facts that are rightly understand agrees with the scriptures, those that disagree are stating they trust in the science so called/presumptions to be more truthful than God in the Bible!
     
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    Which scriptures? Just because some parts of the scriptures may not be congruent with demonstrated observable reality it doesn't mean that they are in error in the way that would delegitimize their validity.
     
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    Interesting quote from Plantinga:
    Plantinga states his central thesis thus: “there is superficial conflict but deep concord between science and theistic religion, but superficial concord and deep conflict between science and naturalism.”
     
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    Errors?

    I'm wondering if the "days" of Genesis 1 are considered by some as "errors"?

    Some see a "day" as an undefined length of time (which can be proven from the scripture) presumably to make "peace" between creation and evolution.

    Personally I see the six days of creation as sidereal or solar days of approx. 24 hours but if someone wants to make them metaphorical then OK, but IMO it's problematic to that "peace" between the two.

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    The Bible tells us to avoid false science (1Tim). Take Radiometric Dating as an example. These are based on inaccurate guesses that produce ages for rock that have nothing to do with the age of the rock. For instance, potassium decays into argon so, by guessing no argon was in a rock when the rock formed, an age is given the rock based on how long it took the argon found in it to form. However, if argon was in the rock when it formed, the rock will date much older than it is. This explains why rocks that formed in a lava flow 200 years ago dated 3 billion years old. So avoid false science and put your faith in the Word of your Creator and redeeming Savior, Lord Jesus the Christ.

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    Just what "demonstrated observable reality" are you speaking about?
     
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    As I see it, reading the scriptures as they were actually written means they do not conflict with science.

    Only those determined to throw out the fact that the Hebrews didn't read it as a 6/24 creation have a problem.

    Seems to me the young earth creationists just won't accept the Bible as true.
     
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    So are we to assume that you have traveled back through time to discuss the Scriptures with the Hebrews, perhaps Moses?
     
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    Galileo Galilei
    Professor of Geometry, Mathematics, and Astronomy,
    University of Padua, 1592-1610

    There are those who reason well, but they are greatly outnumbered by those who reason badly.

    It is surely harmful to souls to make it a heresy to believe what is proved.

    Take note, theologians, that in your desire to make matters of faith out of propositions relating to the fixity of sun and earth you run the risk of eventually having to condemn as heretics those who would declare the earth to stand still and the sun to change position—eventually, I say, at such a time as it might be physically or logically proved that the earth moves and the sun stands still.
    Dialogue on the Great World Systems 1632

    To command the professors of astronomy to confute their own observations is to enjoin an impossibility, for it is to command them not to see what they do see, and not to understand what they do understand, and to find what they do not discover.

    It vexes me when they would constrain science by the authority of the Scriptures, and yet do not consider themselves bound to answer reason and experiment.
     
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    Ice Found on Mercury Confirms Creation Prediction

    An interesting read considering some of the skeptics on Board!



    Read more: http://creationrevolution.com/2012/...y-confirms-creation-prediction/#ixzz2EVyNQgXf
     
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    Of which almost never happens.
     
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    QUESTION#1: Which dating method is used to date fossils: Carbon Dating or Potassium-Argon Dating? The answer is neither! Radiometric methods are not used to date fossils. Ages are assigned to fossils based on the sedimentary rock layer they’re in.

    QUESTION#2: Which method is used to date sedimentary rock layers: Carbon Dating or Potassium-Argon Dating? The answer is neither! Radiometric methods are not used to date sedimentary layers. Ages are assigned to rock layers based on the fossils in them. Thus, fossils are dated by the rock layer they’re in while rock layers are dated by the fossils in them! This circular argument has undermined the faith of billions of people so beware of false science and put your trust in the Word of God.

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    Good observation and you are correct! The question is are they "begging the question" or using "circular reasoning"? I vote for both. They use circular reasoning to get the answer they assume is true which I think is begging the question.
     
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    Old Regular--we have plenty of extant manuscripts to know there were multiple ways the Hebrews would have understood yom.

    My point is there is great good in discussing and debating meanings, but it demeans any of us to belittle scholars that hold a different opinion than we do.

    I'm not post-modern, believing all are right.

    But I am saved, believing all need to respect those with whom they disagree since those other people are also made in God's image and to disrespect them disrespects Him.

    Those who hold to YEC do so from their understanding of scripture.

    So do those who hold to gap theory, day/age theory, and other old earth systems.
     
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    Comparing the above posts it appears you are inconsistent in your criticism. You say:
    and this after dismissing YEC, saying
    I do not respect those who reject the teaching of Scripture just to embrace faulty science. History shows that there are few absolutes in science. The only three that come to mind are the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics and the Law of biogenesis. Only God knows if these three are absolutes.
     
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    Old Regular--no, wasn't being inconsistent. In English class we teach that as irony.

    You respect scripture, I believe, so I assume you believe the part that says one man will see everyday the same and one special, or one will eat meat and another only vegetables, and since both do it with thankfulness unto God we are to not judge each other.
     
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    It is wonderful and edifying to compare Scripture with Scripture. It is foolish, in my opinion, to use ever changing science in an attempt to trump inerrant Scripture.
     
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