I know that this subject was mentioned before -- but we tend to rehash things here on the BB anyway , don't we ? Is it true , or is it not ? : God has not arranged for all people to hear the gospel . Millions have never heard a word about Christ . But the Bible says : Even so , Father , for it seemed good in your sight . ( Matt.11:26 ) In the following passages God has made sure that many do not hear the gospel . Take a gander at Ps.147:19,20 ; Acts 14:16 ; Acts 16:6,7 . But all of the aforementioned does not frelieve us of the mandate of the GC . This brings me to comment on John 3:16 . I have mentioned before that I appreciate the HCSB's rendering of this famous text . Also the NJB and the ISV do the verse justice . Even the alternate footnote of the ESV words it correctly . In such a manner , in such a way . The love of God is certainly stressed in the verse but it is not about that He SO loved the world . In other words , it was by the means of Christ's death that God the Father demonstrated His love . God loved His elect ones scattered throughout the world that He gave His Son with the intention that by Him every believer would be saved . Christ died for all of God's elect and gave them belief . Christ did not die for those who would have been saved if only they believed . The biblical order has been tampered with by mainstream evangelicals and fundamentalists . God has not revealed Jesus to everyone in the world . And by "world" so many here think each and every person who has , is , and shall live . Can God love those who He doesn't want to hear the Good News ? That would be odd ! Why would God give His Son for millions but not see to it that they hear such a critical message ? Can there really be a general affection for all which tolerates the perishing of many of those He loved ? The answer is : " No" . In John 4;42 Christ is called " The Savior of the world " . But to be a Savior of people not saved is contradictory . So , those called " the world " must be those who are indeed saved . Otherwise how could He have given His Son for those to whom He did not give the grace to believe ? My contention is that all who are actually redeemed are all He intended to redeem . God knows what He is doing. He did not appoint a Savior without deciding who should be saved . Could He ordain a means ( Christ's death ) without being sure of the outcome ? In Isaiah 53:11 it says ( In my NLT2) " When He sees all that is accomplished by His anguish He will be satisfied ." That tells me that God determined who would be saved and it was not left up to man . God determined the number( each individual ) of those to be saved and the Lord was satisfied with that . Christ was not the substitue for all , if that was the case all would be saved . "In my place condemned He stood "-- we sing . And I believe those words. But in the place , in the room of , in my stead and FOR His elect ones only . I just do not see how professing believers can ignore or twist the scriptural fact that Christ died for His sheep -- He laid down His life for them . He did not die for the sheep and everyone else . It was the Church which He bought with His own blood --- not the Church and everyone else .He did not die for all people . You are commanded to believe the scriptures . Understand them , accept them . But don't do a runaround with "Yes , but ..." And don't give me the idea that you are more gracious than God Himself . Do you think that your heart is more tender than the compassionate heart of ther Father who sent Jesus to this world ? I usually study brevity . However , I have much more to say . I await your comments ( and will brace for some assaults ) .