Thoughts from the Ananias/Sapphira thread

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by just-want-peace, Feb 2, 2014.

  1. just-want-peace

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    I've often wondered how much this attitude is reflected in some pastors that "require" one to PUBLICALLY agree to visit, pray, witness, attend all revival services, volunteer for--- ???, come to the altar, etc, etc, etc???

    I am 77, and it took the majority of those years for me to realize that God did not require me to actively participate in this pastors need for having his sermon undergirded by the congregation.

    OK, maybe that was not his motive, but the point I'm making is that a lot of the co-operation he received on such requests were simply nothing more that PEER PRESSURE; not any spiritual commitment from the individual. I'm not saying that there should never be something of this sort, BUT, it should be done only under the guidance of the HS; and for no other reason - that I can think of.

    My last pastor would ask "all of the above", but he always said, in essence,
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=91784#post2081438
     
  2. JamesL

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    I don't like feeling pressured by someone into any kind of spiritual activity. Even if it's something very small.

    Countless times I've heard sermons where the preacher is fishing for applause:
    "blah, blah, blah, so forth and so on...amen? amen? C'mon, you can clap for that."

    I never clap for that.


    Worship "leaders" saying:
    "Give God a clap offering" after a song

    Really? Are you sure you don't want me to clap for you? No thanks


    The last church I attended, a guy put together a "prayer drive" to have a bunch of people drive down every street in town and pray for each house and family as we drove by. I went along, feeling the Holy Spirit had led me to go. But when it was only me and him, he got fed up. He made sarcastic comments like "I'll bet if we offered them lunch they'd come."

    I stopped going, too, feeling that it was going to turn into human compulsion rather than a Spirit led project.


    However, in a slightly different scenario, I spoke from the pulpit about a Spring Cleanup at that church. I was on the Property and Space committee, and the pastor asked if any of us wanted to announce it from the pulpit. I said something to the effect of:

    We're having a day of cleanup, and we need help. But I want to tell you who I want to see here. If you regularly help with child care, or you teach Sunday School, or if you're on the worship team, or serve on committees, we are not looking for your help. I want to see somebody here that doesn't give a hoot about anything here.

    If you walk across the parking lot every week, and give no thought to how it stays clean, I want you here. If you use the bathroom every week, and have never bothered to think about who empties the trash, I want you here. If you like the lights all working, but have never thought about the guy that maintains them, I want to see you here.


    I gave a pretty pressured announcement, for sure. But, it was not necessarily a "spiritual" event. I looked at it as a common courtesy from those who use the facility all the time, but never contribute anything. That cleanup day, we had our highest turnout.
     
  3. convicted1

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    The "crunching" sound from stepping on toes gets people's attention pretty quick. If their toes were stepped on, they shouldn't have been there to begin with.
     
  4. Earth Wind and Fire

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    It was a wake up call Brother Willis, a wakeup call!:love2:
     
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    :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
  6. Archie the Preacher

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    James L, once again I find myself in agreement with you. One of my pet peeves - and I pray about it - is a speaker who constantly asks for responses. I have to fight down the urge to say something like "When you say something and the Spirit moves me..."

    But Mom attempted to teach me polite behavior.

    Your request for assistance on clean up day was marvelous. That is the proper spirit.

    Which reminds me; has anyone ever noticed how all sorts of people will 'amen' a speaker condemning homosexuality, but when the lack of (agape) love - or gluttony, or selfishness - is mentioned, they will remain strangely quiet?
     

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