Thoughts On 1 John Chapter 3 Verses 4-9??

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  1. TaliOrlando

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    This whole chapter is for the Children of God. Its speaking and talking about that whoever abides inhim does not sin, who ever sins has neither seen him or known him. Well, you can keep on reading but it goes as far as to say that he who sins is of the devil.

    Sin and the Child of God

    4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
    7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
     
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    Bump :1_grouphug:
     
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    Tali,
    It appears that there are not many thoughts on this. I doubt you will get up to 4500 like the Calvinism topic :tear: .

    I will give you my take on it.

    "He that smoketh is a smoker. " Unauthorized Version :laugh:

    A smoker is not somebody that smokes one cigartette. A smoker is somebody that wakes up and smokes, smokes throughout the day, and buys more to smoke tomorrow. He smells like smoke and his smoking controls him. He will stand outside in the cold so he can smoke and is unable to enjoy the taste of food because of it. He spends a large amount of money to smoke. He does all these things despite wanting to quit.

    A sinner is someone whose life is characterized by sinning. Their life is controlled by the flesh and the sin that reigns there. Despite not wanting to sin, they cannot stop.

    For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. Rom 7:18-20

    Those that have been crucified with Christ have received the circumcision made without hands in putting off the body of the sins of flesh. It is on operation performed by God himself and makes us free from the power of sin.

    Romans 6:6 "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin."

    Rom. 8:5 "For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit."

    Rom 8:8 "So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
    9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness."
     
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    1John 2:1 "I write these things to you that you should NOT sin -- but IF anyone does sin we have an advocate with the Father".

    John did not write messages in the form "you are a slave to sinning".

    On the other hand - he points out that we HAVE forgiveness through Christ. "IF" we confess our sins He IS faithful and just to forgive AND to CLEANSE from all unrighteousness.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    :wavey: :godisgood:
    Thanks for the response though!!
     
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    Excellent display of rightly dividing the truth and application! :thumbs:

    Good teaching brother! :jesus:
     
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    Amen! :thumbs:
     
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    Ok, then what if a Christian who gave his life to Christ at 20 years old, was faithful for 3 years and then stopped going and didnt want anything to do with hit. He is now 40 years old and its been 17 years since he has even thought about God. Are you saying that IF he doesnt confess his sins God wont cleanse him.
     
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    TaliOrlando,Correct. God won't forgive that person, because he haven't confess sins for long time. Is that person remains saved. No. Because, his fruit become dying as it looses away like John 15:6. Unless, that person repents of sins get right with God before too late at death. If he never confess sins by the time, he dies, then he is lose. Period. In ChristRev. 22:20 -Amen!
     
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    Does he then need to confess 17 years worth of sin individually or ask for a blanket pardon ? I don't agree with you on his being lost, but that is probably something no amount of debate could change either of us and I respect your convictions. I am simply curious about your feelings on the need for dealing with each sin individually and how does he get resaved without another sacrifice ?
     
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    "God won't forgive that person, because he haven't confess sins for long time"

    Read 1 John verse 9
    it doesn`t state a time limit , the only time limit would be the end of ones life here on earth.
    ..... now is the time to get right with God........that it be `well with our souls`.for we know not when He will require our souls of us.
     
  12. steaver

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    This would prove the person was never regenerated. This person was just dabbling with Christianity the religion.

    God will cleanse him if He truly confesses Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior and is converted, born again. Born of God isn't something that comes and goes. It is an act of God that remains forever, this is why Jesus used the analogy of a birth, regeneration, a new creature, Spirit and spirit becoming one.

    IF the person had been born again at age 20, he could never stop believing that he is who he knows himself to be. It is from God, regeneration, he is known of God and he knows Jesus Christ personally. Anything less is religion only.

    There is Christianity the religion being promoted daily, even on this board, and then there is Christainity the relationship, regeneration, my sheep hear my voice and I know them and are known of them and they follow me.

    Religion says you must perform this and that. Do good works, bear fruit, in order to be saved. Relationship works out the salvation, not to remain saved, but rather as a child honors his Father's commands that it may go well with him and he would bear much fruit.

    God Bless! :thumbs:
     

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