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Thousands 'Resolved' to Get Jesus Right

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Revmitchell, Jun 30, 2010.

  1. Luke2427

    Luke2427 Active Member

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    Look, I know what you are saying and I agree with you. But the problem today is not that we have too few people emphasizing the Spirit. The great problem of our day and our culture is illiteracy of the Word of God.

    It would not be such a problem if all the illiterate were humble souls doing the best they can with what knowledge they have. But the GREAT PROBLEM of our day is that there are multitudes who do not understand the slightest thing about the Word of God and yet they go around proudly spouting off their erroneous conclusions lie they REALLY know what they are talking about.

    Ignorance is a real problem. But when ignorance and arrogance join forces it is a CATSTROPHE!
     
  2. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
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    Well the original false argument given was that we can live a God honoring life with scripture. And we cannot.
     
  3. gb93433

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    Education is not the answer. Obedience is. What do you think people do not understand about Mt. 4:19 and Mt. 28:19,20? It was not too long ago that most people could not read. The problem is not education or the ability to read, but the fact that they do not know God. There are many educated who do not know God they just know about God.
     
  4. Baptist Believer

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    I believe you intended to say "withOUT scripture."

    And that's hardly a false argument. Abraham lived a God-honoring life without scripture. That's plainly evident.

    However, God has provided scripture to most of the world's people groups, so everyone who has access to scripture can use it for their spiritual nurture and the glory of God.
     
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    My father could neither read nor write, but he could listen, and listen he did. I believe there is a scripture that supports the concept of hearing the word and believing was the key to knowing Jesus Christ as Saviour.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  6. gb93433

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    About 98% of the early Christians could not read. Yet they honosred God and were persecuted for their faith in Jesus.
     
  7. Revmitchell

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    More false arguments. The word Abraham received was direct from God and equivalent to our current revelation God has given in scripture. The Holy Ghost works in concert with scripture not apart from it and is not equivalent to the direct word Abraham received from God.

    Sad I must explain 1+1=2. As far as those who could not read that is irrelevant. They most assuredly received the word of God in oral form from their pastors and teachers.
     
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  8. gb93433

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    Could you be specific? Your argument is about as specific as trying to grab a greased pig.
     
  9. Baptist Believer

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    Yes, obviously.

    I think I know what you're trying to say here. However, let's be clear and point out that Abraham did not have any written revelation that we know about.

    However, he did just fine.

    Yes, absolutely.

    So now that we have written scripture, God does not speak to people anymore independent of scripture?

    Do you have any biblical support for that view?

    Essentially, what you are saying is that the Spirit of God will not speak to anyone apart from scripture. Those who do not have written scripture in their language, or have access to hearing a gospel message based on the very words of scripture, are now hopelessly lost (even to the point where the Spirit will not speak to them) because there is written revelation somewhere in the world.

    And for thousands of years the Native Americans of the New World had absolutely no hope of being right with God because the people over in the Middle East, Europe, Asia, and Africa had written revelation. God was not going to reveal Himself to people without written scripture being present or, at least, referenced.

    And for some reason you believe that God is not speaking to people now like he did to Abraham...

    I think it is sadder that you apparently believe that written scripture is a mediator between the lost and Jesus.
     
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