Three Cheers for Australia

Discussion in 'Politics' started by LadyEagle, Aug 11, 2006.

  1. LadyEagle

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    The rest is here:
    http://www.socastee.com/
     
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    The second part is anything but Aussie. May the writer run out of gas for his bbq when it's most needed, and may his air-con break down and swimming pool become infested with hungry 5 metre "saltys" on the hottest day of summer! ...Or maybe send him back to U.S. :smilewinkgrin:


    First part gets a few slight twists but is pretty close to events:

    Summit commits to combat terrorism
    Govt flags media training for Islamic leaders
    PM backs Muslim comments[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Bookman Old Style,Arial]
    Muslims Out of Australia
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    We don't throw people out Down Under though (as tempting as it is sometimes), just keep getting them around for barbies until it sinks in where they are :D Eventually they all become just as bad (if not worse) as the rest of us :D[FONT=Trebuchet MS,Bookman Old Style,Arial]
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    Way to go, Australia!

    Thanks for sharing this, LE!
     
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    :thumbs: :applause: :applause: :thumbs:
     
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    Interesting. So it somebody took a rant by an American bigot, and did a few changes to make it appear like an Australian bigot did it.

    BTW, real Americans speak English, French, Spanish, a variety of Native American languages, and others. They worship Jesus, Allah, God the Father, and a host of others, or even nothing at all. They are all real Americans, regardless of who they worship.

    If someone doesn't like living in a country with this kind of diversity, or wants to live in an officially Christian nation, he should emigrate to a country where diversity isn't valued as it is here.

    He should do so quickly. The real Americans would greatly appreciate it.
     
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    Well good luck with that.:thumbs:
     
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    Fortunately, Real Americans are a tolerant bunch so even bigots have a right to stay.

    But I don't see why they would want to. There are plenty of coiuntries where people aren't allowed to be different.

    Surely they wouild be more comfortable in one of them.
     
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    Bigotry is not confined to the conservative right. Liberals are bigots by not accepting Robert Loudermilk's personal opinion that America has a culture worth preserving. That someone edited and forwarded it is a copyright infringement.

    To accept the diversity of those who would impact America's economic and legal systems to the extent that what made America no longer exists would be ridiculous. Knowing what that extent would be is subjective, but no less a diverse perspective.

    Labels are as limiting to those who apply them as they are encompassing to those applied. And, they appear to be dismissive of diversity.
     
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    Why just to make you more comfortable. Have you become uncomfortable with those who differ from you on this issue? How bigoted you are.

    You see, your view of diversity is impossible for even you to maintain. Terms like bigotry, and racism do not apply simply because True Americans hold to standards in this country. Standards are correct and reasonable outside of racism. And it is a childish endeavor to try to equate one with the other.
     
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    Cultures. Loudermilk only likes one of them. There's a name for that kind of thinking. Personally, I think the US would be a poorer place without the different American cultures we have, like Cajun, Tex-Mex, etc. Any of them disappearing would harm America. Bigots disagree, of couirse. And it's not just "liberals" who want to preserve our American cultures.

    America has never been what the bigots think it should be. It was diverse from the start. And yes, your particular culture is also worth preserving.

    Enough of this foolishness.
     
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    Barbarian suggests:
    Fortunately, Real Americans are a tolerant bunch so even bigots have a right to stay.

    But I don't see why they would want to. There are plenty of coiuntries where people aren't allowed to be different.

    Surely they wouild be more comfortable in one of them.


    Nope. Real Americans, as I said earlier, are willing to tolerate even bigots.

    Yep, bigots bother me. But they have a right to be what they are, so long as they don't impose it on me.

    Heh, that rope-a-dope won't work for you here. You see, "tolerance" doesn't mean "approval." The fact that people put up with you, doesn't necessarily mean they agree with you.






    You see, your view of diversity is impossible for even you to maintain. Terms like bigotry, and racism do not apply simply because True Americans hold to standards in this country. Standards are correct and reasonable outside of racism. And it is a childish endeavor to try to equate one with the other.
     
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    You are absolutely correct. America is sufficiently diverse to accept a wide range of immigrants over three centuries and become the most economically viable nation in the world. "Balkanization" did not achieve this. Where we are today came through a melding of cultures, a sharing of heritage -- but the movement toward commonality of language and economic achievement. Without those commonalities, a group is isolated and left behind. Without those commonalities a group tries to serve two masters. Christians believe that cannot be done.
     
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    Those who oppose diversity need only to look at a map of the US to see the influence of other cultures. We have cities like:

    Fond du Lac
    Albuquerque
    Tallequah
    Los Angeles
    Detroit
    Milwaukee
    Amarillo

    What about the names of states?

    Vermont
    Montana
    Colorado
    California
    Illinois
    Oklahoma
    Texas
    Louisiana

    and on, and on. Does anyone think these names were a product of "English Only"? America is an amalgam of language, religion, and culture. The predominate language is English, the predominate religion is Christianity, but "True Americans"(TM) respect and honor the contributions to our rich culture made by the minorities who have come here since the first European set foot on this continent.

    As for Australia being formed as a Christian nation, wasn't it a penal colony, a la Devil's Island? Something I have always respected about Oz is the fact that misfits and outcasts tamed a continent and created a free and democratic society made up of many different people, not unlike the US. God bless America, God bless Australia, and God bless all the people of this beautiful planet.
     
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    There is a distinctly American culture, composed of many cultures. This is what Hitler meant, when he disparaged the "mongrel American nation." What he took for weakness, turned out to be our strength.

    I wonder if the Japanese, who floundered about, trying to decipher the Navajo "code talker" messages would think diversity was a weakness.

    Wherever Hitler is now, I'm pretty sure he doesn't still think so. The principle of American culture is "e pluribus, unum." We don't lose our identity as Southerners, or Yankees, or Midwesterners, or Texans, or Blacks, or Jews, or whatever we are besides real Americans.

    Always been that way. Go look at some old WWII combat films and see how differences were perceived then. America celebrated the differences. But that was an earlier, less fearful time, when American values were stronger.

    Now, we are told, we have to conform to "American culture." But whose?
     
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    Yes, but what about respecting and honoring this country and its culture when people come here now? In the past, immigrants who came here assimilated into the culture. Not anymore. Come and visit me, MP. You would have a hard time carrying on even a basic conversation about the weather with most people who live in my apt. building. They live and work here but don't speak English.

    Or how about when I go to a store and ask the sales clerk for something and he/she can't understand me? Would this be tolerated elsewhere? I doubt it. If I'm in a foreign country even as a visitor, I attempt to learn some of the basics of the language. And if I lived there (and I have), I learn the language. And in those cases, I'm not even trying to be a citizen!

    You can bet that if you worked in a store in France, Italy, Germany, China, Japan, etc. you would be expected to understand the customers. Not so here.
     
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    Canada must learn from Aussie.
    I think it was last year when Ontario government tried to allow Sharia Law and Jewish law to rule their community, then McGuinty, a devout Roman Catholic who tried to eliminate subsidy for the Protestant Christian schools as soon as he was inaugurated as the premier, with the pretext of saving the budget cost, was criticized by many groups, then he cancelled the idea.

    I believe that the religion which is dominating in the countries where there is no freedom of religion must not be allowed the freedom in other countries either. For example, Saudi Arabia and many other countries do not allow other religion, de facto, then why should we allow such religion in our countries?
    Allah and Mecca must be targeted.
     
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    Marcia, I don't disagree that immigrants should learn the predominant language and not expect the host nation to accommodate them. The thing is that even if the first generation doesn't learn English, over the years it has typically been the second and third before assimilation into the greater US culture has happened. Not learning English limits opportunity. I think this will continue to happen. What we have done wrong is enabling people to be isolated by multilingual government forms and such. I also share your frustration dealing with customer service people who cannot communicate in English. As a business owner, I would require that people who deal with the public speak the language of the area served by the business. But is that always English in today's world?

    I was recently back in Houston, and in what used to be typical American middle class areas, you now find enclaves of other cultures and languages. Bellaire Boulevard has signs in Chinese up and down part of it. Bissonnet Street now looks like you are in Mexico City. In some parts of downtown and southwest Houston, you see signs in Korean and Vietnamese. Are we becoming more of a tossed salad of different ingredients, rather than a melting pot of cultures? Could be.

    There is also big business in foreign language media. Every city of any size has multiple Spanish language radio stations. Telemundo, Univision and TV Azteca have affiliates all over the country. These would not exist without a market.

    I also think that as we are part of a new global economy, there is more need to be fluent in other languages. This is one area the US education system has fallen short in...most countries seem to require foreign language studies. Here the attitude is, "If them foreigners want to talk to us, let 'em learn Amer'can, dagnabbit".

    Language assimilates new words borrowed from others, always has. I would hate to see us become protective of English the way France and Quebec are about the French language. Languages are living things that evolve over time. Few today can read Old English or even Middle English, which was closer to German and the Scandinavian languages. When William of Normandy conquered England in 1066 C.E., our mother tongue assimilated much Norman French. In the Americas, we gained native American words, and more Spanish and French terms. Bill Bryson has two wonderful books on the development of English. One is "Mother Tongue" and the other "Made in America". Highly recommended reading for those interested in how our language came to its present state.
     
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    Here in the US, the reason is the First Amendment. In Canada, it is the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

    Do you really want to live in a country that is like Saudi Arabia?
     

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