Three hundred million in the USA

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  1. Joseph M. Smith

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    The Census Bureau is estimating that the US population is arriving at the 300,000,000 mark. They calculate this using the birth rate, death rate, and immigration and emigration rates. Our growth is rapid now, and tends to increase on a geometric scale, not an arithmetic one. So when a denomination declines or holds its own or even grows by a modest percentage, is it not still falling behind the need and the opportunity?

    The more I see of the growth in the population, the decline in our churches, and the lack of passion for outreach in any but the more conservative churches, too many of which, in my opinion, offer a shallow gospel, the more concerned I become about the future. Not just the future of institutional churches as we have known them, but, more importantly, about the spiritual future of millions of people.

    I pray for a recovery and revival of genuine missionary strategy and of informed (key word!) evangelical passion.

    I say this, by the way, on a day when I will be meeting with a denominational missions leader and a former parishioner of mine, who is a medical anthropologist and pastor from the Congo, holding both theological and Ph.D. degrees from the U of London in England, to see if we can get him started on planting a church for French-speaking Africans here in the DC area. We must do a better job of reaching the vast immigrant populations.
     
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    I think I read in a magazine somewhere that before long the African Christians would be sending missionaries to America soon.

    Isn't that a sad commentary? Isn't it also sad that we have lost our spiritual zeal of late and we would rather fight over petty details. I am all for doctrinal soundness, but where there is no vision the people perish. God help us.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    There is a Peruvian out that was discipled by a missionary friend of mine who is now a missionary to the States. We have just about all the information in the world about Christianity in the States but we still lose sight of the true goal.

    On a different view of the 300 millionth American, thats still less than 5 percent of the world's population. China has 5 times as many people, and only God knows how many more churches in the States than in China. But its the same in India and many other countries. Christ said to go into all the world. Let's not lose sight of the goal.

    BTW, Here's a book to read, it was written in the early 1900's and it is called the Key to the Missionary Problem by Andrew Murray, It was recommended by my Pastor and several other people have read it and said it was good. I just read the first chapter and so far it has been very good.
     
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    Uh, I've had African Christians speaking in my
    Southern Baptist Church maybe three dozen times.

    About 1975 the number of Christians in Africa exceeded
    those in North America. =-According to the TIME ALMANAC 2000
    in 1996 Africa had 361 Million Christians, N.A. had 256 Million
    Christians.
     
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    It is about time that we start working on the THIRD largest mission field in the world, or our friends and relatives will go to hell . . .

    PS - I am praying for a genuine revival to spread across this land.
     
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    Amen, Brother El_Guero -- you are so RIGHT ON! :thumbs:
     
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    Suffice it to say, and i think we'll all agree on this one: the fields are white unto harvest!
     
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    You can now do cross-cultural evangelism almost anywhere in the States! More church planters ought to be starting churches in, and churches starting ministries to reach the expatriate populations in their neighborhood, as Joseph is trying to encourage his friend from the Congo to do.

    What America needs in order to do so is an old-fashioned, prayer built, Holy Spirit led revival. Every furlough, we are struck with the increased worldliness and decreased vision of our supporting churches.
     
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    As my friend Adrien and I discussed his proposed church plant with our Convention's Associate Executive Director, we wondered aloud whether these immigrant churches will survive into the next or the third generation, when the children of the immigrants will be native English speakers and will, perhaps, have become assimilated. There are interesting models to learn from:

    1. Some of the older Catholic and Lutheran churches in our area, once language-based, have adapted and have reached out to other populations without either denying or clinging nostalgically to their heritage. For example, what used to be the Swedish Lutheran church in Washington now has a largely African-American membership, but once a month a Swedish language service is offered, and St. Lucy's Day is celebrated!
    2. One of the largest Baptist churches in the state of Maryland is Global Mission Church, in Rockville, a Korean congregation. But to accommodate the English-speaking spouses of Korean immigrants and the children born here, they now hold an English service as well as the main Korean services.
    I think one of the things immigrant churches will need to do is to be very flexible regarding church buildings. As many of them share facilities with traditional churches, perhaps they should plan to do so "forever", and maybe there should even be some church buildings specifically designed for dual congregation use. As I have posted on another thread, I do wonder about responsible stewardship when congregations of the same denomination building buildings right around the corner from one another.
     
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    Good points, Joseph. We supported a Japanese missionary to Brazil for years. He went there to reach the nisei and sansei (2nd and 3rd generation Japanese), but found out that only the old folk still spoke Japanese! By the third generation, the Japanese-Brazilians were pretty much assimilated.

    Still, to reach the first generation immigrants is a holy and vital task.
     
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    Amen!

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    Second generation is very difficult to reach and keep reached . . . .

    Keep up the work!


     
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    300 million . . . what is that 200 million unreached . . .

    With an average church of 100 (60 - 120 is what I usually see in print), that is gonna take what . . . one million churches for them . . . nope 2 million.

    We need some churches.
     
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    I beg to differ with you.

    We don't need MORE churches.

    What we need is for the people we have in our current churches to get off their pews and GO!

    If each person, (adult) in each of our Bible believing churches would bring ONE sinner a month, and that ONE sinner got saved, then we could reach this entire country in a very short time.

    I don't know what the numbers all work out to be. But I read somewhere that the SBC alone is the largest Baptist denom. in the States. If they have only 10 million memebers, they could reach the entire US in a matter of 3 years, by each member reaching ONE lost person a month.

    But do they or anybody else try to do that?

    I say they/we don't, else we would see some kind of results.

    (I included "we" in that last statement to include we IFB's who are just as comfortable and plagued by "we 4 and no more")

    We don't need more churches nor revival: we need OBEDIENCE to our LORD!!!
     
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    I work with a children's ministry that has Bible clubs during the week. We have preschool clubs at various times during the day and elementary clubs after school. Usually we go to daycares, the YMCA's, and sometimes to an apartment complex. The preschool clubs are usually about 30 minutes. The elementary clubs are 60 minutes, during which we teach a memory verse, Bible Story, sing songs, and have a review activity, and give an invitation: the children who want to learn more about being saved are given the opportunity while the other children are playing a review game. They usually want come to talk about salvation unless the Spirit is leading if there is also a game going on at the same time.

    It is so easy to go to a daycare or YMCA and ask to do a Bible Club with the children. There are more opportunities than we can do because of lack of people willing to teach. Ususally we teach children 5-12 in the elementary clubs. So many of the 6-8 year olds are so open to the Gospel. Many children are harder to reach the older they get.

    My point in relation to this thread: It is very hard to get people in local churches to volunteer to sit in one club a week for crowd control. Even if someone else does all the planning, teaching, follow-up, etc. It is better to have 2 or 3 adults in a club. If adults would just be there, then 2 teachers could do twice the amount of clubs instead of the 2 teachers having to go together. Also, sometimes snacks or supplies (like curriculum) are needed and it is hard to get donations. Then, when I visit a church (and my church) the people seem to have time to go on trips, do big youth programs where the youth are "entertained", and what can we do for our church plant.

    It seems that very little emhasis is on the chidren of a local community.

    The field is indeed white unto the harvest. If you have gotten this far: thanks for reading this.:saint:
     
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    Thanks for sharing, deenville.

    America certainly does need revival.
     
  17. Servent

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    Three Hunderd Million

    32 weeks a year our church once a week sends out groups of 3 for about 2 hours to visit and witness to people we meet. When we first started 3 years ago we had 20 teams last semster we had 9, Idont understand were they all went, there still in church there just not going.
     

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