Three Options: An Exercise in Strategy

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  1. Magnetic Poles

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    With the failed policy in Iraq not changing anything, and the U.S. stuck in a civil war in that nation, here are three options offered as a strategic and metal exercise only. Note that the third one does the heretofore unthinkable . . . using America's nuclear capability, and would be akin to Truman's decision to use the A-Bomb on Japan, with the exception of other nuclear powers being around, and the bombs being many times more powerful than those of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

    Please note: I am not advocating any of these, particularly Option Three, but submit these as a stimulant for discussion only.

    Option One – Declare Victory & Leave

    In this scenario, the United States declares that the goals of the invasion have been met, in that Saddam Hussein is gone and there have been free and democratic elections in Iraq. Declare that there is no further need for U.S. troops and the Iraqis must work out their own destiny now.

    Possible negatives include continued sectarian bloodshed, and the possible takeover of Iraq by Iran or Al Qaeda.

    Option Two – Partition Iraq & Leave

    Partition the country along ethnic borders, leaving a Shia state, a Sunni state and a Kurdish state. Either keep U.S. troops or place U.N. troops to monitor elections in each of the new countries, then withdraw as in Option One.

    As in Option One, possible negatives include the takeover of the Shia state (and possibly the others) by Iraq or even Al Qaeda, giving it an actual state of its own as a base of operations.

    Option Three – Tactical Nuclear Demonstration & Warning

    This is extreme, but evacuate all U.S. personnel, and then give notice that a city in Iraq; Tikrit, Mosul, or even Baghdad; will be destroyed in 7 days by a theater-level tactical nuclear weapon. What will be demonstrated is a small scale of what will happen to the entire region if all hostilities are not brought to an immediate halt. Also comes with a warning that if any US territory, ally, or installation anywhere is the world is the target of a terror attack, the hell that will rain down will make “Shock and Awe” look like sparklers on the Fourth of July.

    Negatives to consider (and these are highly risky) would be the likely immediate cutoff of oil from the region; the ostracization of the U.S.; and the possibility of the threat of a retaliatory nuclear strike against the U.S. if it carries out its plan of a tactical demonstration, by perhaps Russia or another nuclear state. Also, this option could (even likely) trigger a global nuclear war resulting in the deaths of millions, including here in the United States. Another risk is that Al Qaeda would purposely attack the U.S. again in order to provoke America into carrying out its threat to destroy the region.
     
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    Also, Japan and Germany had there own atom bomb programs(Japan may have set off a small nuclear device somewhere around Korea just before surrendering) that we were trying to beat to the punch. The only nations in that region that have nuclear capability are Israel, Pakistan, and India. No one else has an active nuclear bomb program at this time.

    The only way to avoid an increase in sectarian violence and a Shiite Iraq aligning with Iran would be to keep our troops there on a permanent basis in secured bases as we have done in South Korea. The question is: are the American people willing to do this?
     
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    Where's the Admit Defeat & Leave option?
     
  4. Magnetic Poles

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    :laugh: I never said this was an all inclusive set of options! :thumbs:
     
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    Why do we need to admit defeat? We have not been defeated in open battle. The first option given to us here in the OP may very well be feasible, but I don't see the need to admit defeat (we have not been defeated).
     
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    I don't buy the premise. The evidence suggests that the current strategy is working to at least some degree. The accelerated rate of attacks may indeed be coming from fear. Furthermore, teh "civil war" may not be civil at all. Some suggest it is heavily backed by Iran and carried out by non-Iraqis, or by a small minority of Iraqis. Some benchmarks are showing success. In September there is supposed to be a report. Let's see what it says.

    Some of you have your head stuck in the sand and can't see clearly. The fact is that none of us really know what is going on since none of us are there are getting our picture from news sources not known for their objectivity. So I say, let's wait and see before we make these declarations. Objectivity requires us to.
     
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  7. Magnetic Poles

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    Larry, while you disagree with the opening commentary, the options are presented for stimulation of dialog on the pros and cons of each. For the sake of the exercise, assume the current strategery is broken. Personally, I don't see anything changing in the next 6-8 weeks.
     
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    Good question.

    Any list of options put forth by a liberal would be meaningless without it.
     
  9. Analgesic

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    Hmph, not much of a liberal - he didn't even insult Bush once!
     
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    Quote:
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    Where's the Admit Defeat & Leave option?


    It was your question. I take that to mean it is you who believes it should be one of the options.

    Wear your defeatism proudly. Don't try to lay it off on MP.
     
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    Simply because I think it should be an option under discussion in no way implies that I think it to be correct.
     
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    Straight answer.

    Do you think it is a viable option?
     
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  13. Analgesic

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    Define "viable".
     
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    Afraid to take a stand, I see.:laugh:

    It's tough to be a Christian when one is afraid to take a stand.
     
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    Quite similar to the old "It all depends on what "is"is.
     
  16. Analgesic

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    Either that or I want to know exactly what proposition I'm being asked if I concur with.

    It's tough to be as wise as a serpent when one has to avoid being trampled by all the donkeys.
     
  17. carpro

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    No. I've noticed before.

    I was actually gave you a break. Using the word "viable" gave you considerable room to maneuver , but it wasn't enough to suit you.

    You're a waffler.

    Play your word games with someone else.
     
  18. Analgesic

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    In case you failed to notice, I rejected your offer of "waffle room" and asked for you to be more precise in laying out the proposition for me to respond to.

    I'd be happy to play with someone else, but you asked the question. And now, since you find that I'm actually the sort of person who will hold you to a high verbal standard in the discussion that will follow, you've shirked it.
     
  19. carpro

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    Yep. I believe someone has been to the Clinton school of speech parsing..
     
  20. carpro

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    What I noticed is that you don't seem to understand context when determining the meaning of words.

    Of course, it's an act. But it provides a convenient excuse not to take a clear position on any given issue.
     

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