Three Reasons Why I'm Not A Good Calvinist:

Your heart must change Skypair.

 

Rippon said:

You crack me up. :tongue3: LOL. I'm signing off now as I'm tired. Will see ya's all
tomorrow sometime.

 

TC:

My understanding from some 5-point Calvinists is that if a man does not accept all 5-points he is not a true Calvinist.


LM

 

TC:

You are one of a growing number of Reformed men who reject Lordship Salvation. In the last year I have spoken to two men who I have known for years and both are Reformed in their theology. Both of these men have earned Ph.D.'s, both are in full time ministries.

They took the time to look more deeply into it, as MacArthur defines it, and they both called and/or wrote to me acknowledging that they had come to conclude that MacArthur’s LS is wrong. They have turned from accepting Lordship Salvation *as defined by John MacArthur.


LM

*Rippon, I made the post consistent. You may be trying to blunt the importance of the fact that some Calvinists understand that LS is wrong. JM is the most widely read LS apologist, he essentially speaks for the position of LS as every man I know interprets LS. I’d like to read from some one who claims to hold to LS and rejects MacArthur’s definition of LS at the same time.

 

Until TCG elaborates on the subject; he said he doesn't go along with MacArthur's brand of Lordship Salvation. TCG has not said (at this point) that he has rejected Lordship Salvation altogether.

You have to follow some consistent use of expressions Lou.

Those Calvinists who contacted you have not accepted Lordship Salvation as MacArthur has defined it. But that's not the same thing as saying in your very next breath -- "They have turned from accepting Lordship Salvation."

 

Answerng Rippon

TC:

You are one of a growing number of Reformed men who reject Lordship Salvation. In the last year I have spoken to two men who I have known for years and both are Reformed in their theology. Both of these men have earned Ph.D.'s, both are in full time ministries.

They took the time to look more deeply into it, as MacArthur defines it, and they both called and/or wrote to me acknowledging that they had come to conclude that MacArthur’s LS is wrong. They have turned from accepting Lordship Salvation *as defined by John MacArthur.


LM

*Rippon, I made the post consistent. You may be trying to blunt the importance of the fact that some Calvinists understand that LS is wrong. JM is the most widely read LS apologist, he essentially speaks for the position of LS as every man I know interprets LS. I’d like to read from some one who claims to hold to LS and rejects MacArthur’s definition of LS at the same time.

 

Who are the men who are reformed, who called you, and now disagree or make a point of disagreement with MacArhur?

 

Larry, Curley, and Mo?

 

1. I don't agree with JM's dispensationalism. Does that make me a bad Cavlinist? According to him, it does. And I don't agree with every line of his defense of LS, but I agree in general. In either case, I don't agree with misrepresenting his words like Lou does.

2. I thought all theologians, either dead or living, were Calvinists. (just kidding!)

3. What's an English Standard Version? I guess I'm getting kicked out too.

 

Consider Gill, Boyce, Dagg, Bunyan, Keach, The Carroll brothers, Graves, Philpot, CD Cole, and so on. There's a lot of good stuff out there from credobatists.

 

And that Spurgeon fellow..he was pretty good i hear...:laugh:

woah..I just saw the Bunyan comment. Say it ain't so !