Time in Heaven

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  1. Lori

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    I'm not sure if this goes here or not, but if not I am sure it will be moved to a more appropriate place. Thanks in advance for your patience whilst I learn the ropes. :D

    I can't find the verse again regarding how time passes in heaven vs in relation to earth time but it was something like a thousand years on earth is like/as a day in heaven. I am reminded of a post I read earlier on here about where Jesus was after he died up on the cross. I think and believe what he meant when he told the thief "Today you will be with me in paradise." If you look at it from the standpoint that Jesus was talking about a "heavenly" day then it makes more sense that he was with the theif on the same day while being able to go down to "Sheol?"/"Hades" and retrieve the souls there. Does this make sense to anyone the way I've laid it out? Time for us (finite beings) is not at fluidic as it is for Jesus (infinite being). Well lemme know what ya'll think. It's just one of many things I've had rattling around in this brain of mine.

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    2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

    Use caution when going beyond the Scripture into the realm of speculation of what was, is or might be.

    We have all the Father wants us to have in His Word. Trust Him for the unrevealed.

    When a young man, I had troubled thoughts concerning His eternality, but I received this Scripture...

    Psalm 46:10 Be still, and know that I am God: ...

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    Hank is right! To study the depths of the Infinite God----with the shallowness of human finiteness----to study the limitless with a limited mind---man, oh, man!! Have we got something to look forward to in Eternity!
     
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    I have to agree with Hank and Blackbird. We have tried to understand God's conception of time, and there is just no doing it. We cna try to understand who he is. But, we will never understand even a 10th of what he truely is until we have left this flawed mind and body behind and traded it in for our perfect being. We have no idea what is on the other side, we just know it's there and we trust our LORD so we take the step.

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    What about Revelation 8:1

    ΒΆ And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

    I don't know. I like to think that our loved ones do not have to endure the time apart that we must endure here on earth.

    Have to do some more digging.
     
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    Gershom---dig deeeeeeeeep, Man! Dig deep! And keep diggin' for a long time! And I'll be right beside you---diggin' for that long time, too!
     
  7. Bro Tony

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    Gershom,

    One thought is that the 1/2 hour reference is from an earthy perspective as John was writing for the benefit of those on earth not those in heaven. What do you think?

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    Jesus knew that the thief would understand "today" the way we all understand it here on earth. So it meant "today," that very day.

    2 Peter 3.8 cannot be taken as a way to make any reference in the Bible to a "day" to mean a thousand years or whatever. The 2 Pet passage is merely stating that time is of no concern to God; He is not in time. 2 Pet 3.8 is not saying that literally a day is a thousand years to God, just that for God our time means nothing to Him. The very next verse talks about how patient God is in waiting for man's repentance; time is of no concern to Him in that sense.
     
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    I gotta Agree with Bro. Tony on this one [​IMG]
     
  10. paidagogos

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    There are some assumptions here that we really don't know about. Time is not a constant. It is relative. We have no concept of what time really is. IMHO, it is totally irrelevant. God, Who is eternal, has no boundaries of time as we finite humans do. IMHO, there is no measurment of eternity. It is endless, boundariless existence in the presence of our God.
     
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    paradise, hades/sheol are the same place. He spcifically did not say the thief would be in heaven "today"
     
  12. Bro Tony

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    Also remember that time is a creation of God. He is not bound by His creation. He stepped into time in the incarnation and willing placed Himself in the bounds of His creation. That He did at a specific time and place, but He is not restricted by that which He created unless He decides it to be so.

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    Good point, Bro Tony!

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    All of your responses give me some new ways to think about that passage of scripture. Thanks so much for being willing to lend your insights. It makes sense then (maybe?) that when we get to heaven all our loved ones are already there. The ones that went before us and the ones that went after us are already there. In addition to being in the presence of Jesus, no wonder there are no tears in heaven.

    Sorry for taking so long to jump back into this discussion. Genius here turned off the comupter friday b4 Laborday wkend and had to sit up front at recep dest w/no passwords to log on. :rolleyes: [​IMG]

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    Revelation 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

    Isn't that the proof-text that there will be no women in heaven?
     
  16. Bro Tony

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    I just wanted to add a thought to this that the Bible mentions singing in heaven. Wouldn't there need to be some sort of time in order to have music since you have to keep time in order to sing/play notes? Also wouldn't it be possible that since we "people" live in time that God can adapt to us even if he does not live in "time"?

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    And when did God create time? What standard does he use to measure time? How long is eternity? Is time the same everywhere in the universe? For example, does an event happening in a black hole (I talking about an astronomical black hole)take the same amount of time as the event timed by an observor outside the black hole? How was Christ the Lamb slain from the foundation? Please explain since all these are predicated upon your pontification.
     
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    You are confusing time and timing. Furthermore, we don't know what the singing will be like. [​IMG]
     
  20. Lori

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    Perhaps I may be, but when you count to 4 in a song measure doesn't that take up time? You do raise a good point that perhaps music/singing will be different there. That being said that means maybe it'll be indescribably more beautiful than anything we can produce here with our little voices. Thanks for that different take on music in heaven.

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