tithing??? Should we?

My wife and I recently had some financial counseling with our Pastor. The discussion of tithes came up and he said some of the members don't believe in tithes. This surprised me. We pay our 10% to the church every Sunday.

So I looked into it and found a book called "Lies of the Tithes".

The author makes a compelling argument that tithing is an Old Testament law and even then, it didn't mean financial tithes, but using the abundance (food) of what God had given you and giving it to the poor and eating it in joyous thanksgiving to the Lord. He compares it too a Father wanting to have his family sit down for dinner in fellowship and love, not have his children pay him money in thanksgiving for all he provides for the household.

This makes a lot of sense to me. He also says that since Jesus took the law with him to the cross, why would we follow that one single law of the Old Testament and not the rest? Again, this makes sense.

I am still learning my Bible...does Jesus teach of tithing in the NT?

Thanks

Jeff

 

The argument the author of this book I am reading is making, is tithing is an Old Testament practice, under Old Testament Law. Since Jesus took the law with him to the cross, we are not bound by it.

He claims it is wrong to take one law from the Old Testament without taking the others. He says that if the modern church wants to abide by one OT law, then they technically should abide by them all. You can't pick or choose just because it might be beneficial.

The reason this whole subject came up is last year we tithed a little more than 10%. I grew up learning from my Christian grandparents that God will give back and make your cup runneth over and it is one thing he says you can test him on.

Well, we gave, thinking it was our Christian duty and that we would be financially blessed. I have to admit, it just didn't happen. My businesses entered a dramatic downturn and we started to struggle. My wife, who is a former Catholic, started to doubt everything she had been told as a new Protestant in our new church. We actually entered into financial hardship. All of this happened after I told he that God will bless us. As a new Baptist, she is having a hard time now. I keep telling her that God is building our faith. We need to be faithful that he will provide, regardless of our financial situation. We need to depend on him 100%.

This is what prompted us to meet with our pastor and the reason why we had questions about the tithe. So, needless to say, I was shocked when he said that some members do not believe in tithing. This was enough to make me investigate.

What is Jesus's teaching on offerings and tithings?

Thanks everyone!!

Jeff

 

I will agree that we need to financially support the material cost of a church, but I can't see calling someone a moocher. I thought God's gift of salvation was free. Jesus already paid the price of that salvation on the cross. Would God call someone a moocher?

Is church just a physical building or is it the body of Christ? Can there be a church without a building?

Here in Hawaii, we have several churches that meet on the beach. Calvary Chapel is one. Chairs are brought and members bring their own. No one stands, unless they want to, but they don't need a physical building to call church. There are no electricity bills, or building funds, or other hard cost. But they praise and worship the Lord nonetheless and souls are saved and people are Baptized. People can come a hear the message of salvation free of charge, because it is free from God.

A physical building is God's property. It's not the pastors, it's not Deacons, or the trustees. It's not even the members. I don't think of God as a landlord demanding money to pay the electricity bills or the mortgage. He certainly doesn't need our money.

But this doesn't mean I don't want to contribute. But to put a finacial price on a loving Gift from God is wrong to me. I know God loves me no matter what I do or don't do with the money he gave me.

I tend to think of my relationship with God, as a relationship between a loving father and his children.

In my house, I give my children allowances. Like God, I expect them to work around the house, and I reward them accordingly. They don't work, no allowance. But aside from allowances, I also give them other things out of a pure, unconditional love I have for them. I want to give them things, even when they don't deserve it. But I don't demand them pay me back 10% as a thanksgiving or contribute to the bills. Their love and respect is enough for me.

Sure we have rules around the house, but I forgive them when they break those rules because I understand they are incapable of being perfect. They will make mistakes and I will correct them, but severe punishment is usually avoidable. They are also taught that there are consequences for breaking the rules.

Church is for the sinner and we are all sinners, regardless of how much we give to our church. It's also not our house, but Gods house and he will accept anyone regardless of what they pay or don't pay.

That is why I love him so much!

Anyway, just my thoughts.

Jeff

 

I think the key word is faithful. Your Faith is what God wants not your money.

If God gave back to your mother, I think it was because of her faith, and not the amount she put in the offering tray. This is what makes him a loving God.

Jeff

 

The problem I am having is the modern church is promoting a feeling that God is like the IRS and demands a portion of our income. Otherwise, we won't get our blessings and we are not "true" Christians.

I just can't believe this to be true. God is a Loving and Gracious God. We are not required to "do our part". Jesus already paid that price with his Blood.

I don't mind giving to the church to help pay the bills, but I have comfort knowing God does not demand or expect it. As I said before, he doesn't need our money.