TNIV And HCSB Are Different

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    No,you don't have to rub your eyes.I ran a thread a short time ago with a different conclusion.I'm not sure at this point if I want to devote my limited energy on other books of the Bible for this exercise.But for now we'll go to the book of Jeremiah.

    H = HCSB;T = TNIV

    6:14
    H : They have treated My people's brokenness superficially.
    T : They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious.

    6:15
    H : They can no longer feel humiliation.
    T : they do not even know how to blush.
    [ Most versions render it the same as the TNIV.The word humilation captures the idea somewhat -- but using the word "blush" is more effective.]

    10:14
    H : carved image
    T : idols (Same as NET)
    [ Isn't the TNIV wording simple?]

    9:18
    H : raise a lament
    T : wail
    [ Isn't the HCSB's wording kind of ancient?]

    12:14
    H : bequeathed
    T : gave
    [What was I saying about simplicity?]

    13:4 (See also verses 7,10,11)
    H : Take the underwear that you bought and are wearing
    T : Take the belt you bought and are wearing around your waist
    [ The NET Bible has "shorts"]

    13:17
    H : my innermost being will weep in secret
    T : I will weep in secret
    [ NET Bible : I will weep alone.]

    13:18
    H : Take a humble seat
    T : Come down from your thrones
    NET : Surrender your thrones

    13:23
    H : who are instructed in evil
    T : who are accustomed to doing evil ( same as NET)
     
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    We're In The Book Of Jeremiah

    14:12
    H : their cry of despair
    T : their cry

    16:7
    H : A cup of consolation won't be given
    T : No one will offer food to comfort
    [Isn't the HCSB's wording sort of ancient?]

    16:18
    H : detestable and abhorrent idols
    T : detestable idols
    NET : disgusting idols
    [Have you been noticing how the HCSB elaborates more than the TNIV?]

    16:21
    H : inform them
    T : teach them

    17:9
    H : desperately sick
    T : beyond cure
    NET : incurably bad
    Heb. it is incurable

    17:11
    H : In the middle of his days
    T : when their lives are half gone

    17:23 (See also 19:15)
    H : obstinate
    T : stiffnecked (NET almost the same)
    Heb. they made stiff their necks

    18:19
    H : Pay attention to me (Same as NET)
    T : Listen to me
    [ I think the rendering of the HCSB and NET Bible sounds too weak and 21st century-like.]

    19:3
    H : everyone who hears about it will shutter
    T : the ears of everyone who hears of it tingle
    NET : ears will ring

    19:6
    H : Therefore,take note!
    T : So beware
    [ Okay, so you're going to berate me for preferring "beware",when "take note" sounds so laughable?]

    19:13
    H : whole heavenly host
    T : all the starry hosts
    [ The HCSB's wording may confuse some readers into thinking angels are being referenced.]
     
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    Still In Jeremiah

    22:20
    H : all your lovers
    T : all your allies
    [The HCSB's wording corresponds to the Hebrew;but conveys silliness.]

    22:21
    H : you have never listened to Me
    T : you have not obeyed me
    [ The former wording sounds like a frustrated housewife.]

    22:25
    H : In fact,I will
    T : I will
    [ There's the CSB being unnecessarily wordy.]

    22:29
    h : Earth,earth,earth
    T : O land,land,land
    NET : O land of Judah,land of Judah,land of Judah

    23:30
    H : Therefore,take note!
    T : Therefore
    [Here we go again.See 19:6]
     
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    Jeremiah

    23:36
    H : What is the burden of the Lord? ( Follows the Hebrew.]
    T : What is the message of the Lord?

    30:16
    H : Your despoilers will become spoil
    T : Those who plunder you will be plundered (NET is almost the same.)

    31:20
    H : a delightful child
    T : the child in whom I delight
    NET : children I take delight in

    Later in the above reference:
    H : My inner being yearns for him
    T : My heart yearns for him
    Hebrew : my stomach churns for him

    33:20
    H : regular time
    T : appointed time

    37:4
    H : going about his daily tasks
    T : free to come and go ( also NET)

    37:10
    H : there remained among them
    T : were left (also NET)
     
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    What Book Again?

    45:5
    H : every living creature
    T : all people
    NET : all humanity
    [The wording of the HCSB may confuse folks who think animals are included.]

    47:5 ( See also 48:37)
    H : Baldness is coming to Gaza
    T : Gaza will shave her head in mourning
    [Isn't the TNIV plainer?]

    48:9 (See 51:37)
    H : her town will become a desolation,without inhabitant
    T : her towns will become desolate,with no one to live in them
    NET : become uninhabited
    ["Without inhabitant" is a bit too archaic.Understandable,but still archaic.]

    49:2
    H : dispossess their dispossessors
    T : drive out those who drove them out
    NET : take back its land from those who took their land from them
    [I don't like H's wording.]

    49:5
    H : banished,each man headlong
    T : driven away

    49:18
    H : no human being will even stay in it as a resident alien
    T : no one will dwell in it
    NET : No human being will settle there.

    49:19
    H : the perennially watered grazing land
    T : rich pastureland
    NET : the pastureland

    49:20 ( See Verse 30 too.)
    H : the plans the Lord has drawn up
    T : the Lord has planned

    49:25
    H : city of praise (Close to the Hebrew.)
    T : city of renown
    NET : once famous city

    50:7
    H : their righteous grazing land
    T : their verdant pasture
    NET : their true pasture
     
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    Now We're in Isaiah

    H = HCSB
    T = TNIV
    N = NET Bible text
    H = Hebrew

    I'll refer to other translations at times.

    1:5
    H : The whole head is hurt
    T : Your whole head is hurt
    [ "The"? "Your" is better English.]

    1:26
    H : to their former state
    T : as at the beginning
    H : as in the beginning

    3:11
    H : it will go badly for them
    T : Disaster is upon them!
    [ Which is more descriptive?]

    6:12
    H : leaving great emptiness in the land
    T : the land is utterly forsaken

    6:13
    H : leaves a stump when felled
    T : leave stumps when they are cut down

    7:3
    H : Fuller's Field
    T : Launderer's Field
    [H is kind of antiquated here.]

    8:12
    H : an alliance
    T : a conspiracy (also NASB)

    8:22
    H : gloom of affliction
    T : fearful gloom

    10:6
    H : a people destined for my rage
    T : a people who anger me
    N : the people with whom I was angry

    10:13
    H : I subjugated the inhabitants
    T : I subdued their kings
    N : I brought down rulers

    10:30
    H : Anathoth is miserable.
    T : Poor Anathoth!
    H : Poor is Anathoth
     
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    Continuing In Isaiah

    11:4
    H : discipline
    T : rod
    H : the scepter

    13:11
    H : humiliate the insolence of tyrants
    T : humble the pride of the ruthless
    N : bring down the arrogance of the tyrants

    21:4
    H : my last glimmer of hope
    T : the twilight I longed for
    N : the twilight I desired

    22:21
    H : put your authority into his hand
    T : hand your authority over to him
    N : transfer your authority to him

    26:5
    H : For He has humbled those who live in lofty places --an inaccessible city.He brings it down;He brings it down to the ground
    T : He humbles those who dwell on high,he lays the lofty city low;he levels it to the ground
    N : Indeed,the Lord knocks down those who live in a high place,he brings down an elevated town,he brings it down to the ground

    30:32
    H : appointed staff
    T : punishing club
    N : punishing cudgel

    31:9
    H : His rock will pass away because of fear
    T : Their stronghold will fall because of terror
    H : His rocky cliff,because of fear will pass away

    32:7
    H : and by charging the poor during a judgment
    T : even when the plea of the needy is just
    N : even when the needy are in the right

    32:10
    H : the vintage will fail
    T : the grape harvest will fail (Same as Net Bible)
    [ "Vintage" is antiquated.]
     
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    In Isaiah

    33:3
    H : when you rise in your majesty
    T : when you rise up
    H : because of your exaltation

    35:8
    H : the Holy Way
    T : the Way of Holiness (same as NET Bible and the Hebrew)

    36:9
    H : the weakest
    T : the least ( same as NASBU and NRSV)

    36:10
    H : without the Lord's approval
    T : without the Lord (same as NRSV and the Lit.)

    38:5
    H : Look, I am going to add
    T : I will add (NRSV and NLTse.NJB has "I shall add")

    40:5
    H :will appear
    T : will be revealed (NASBU,NJB,NLTse same.NRSV has "shall")

    40:10
    H : his gifts accompany Him
    T : his recompense accompanies him
    [NRSV,NASBU and NJB have :"his reward is with him".]

    40:11
    H : in the fold of His garment
    T : close to his heart ( NET Bible,NLTse)
    H : in his bosom
     
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    40:23
    H : makes the judges of the earth to be irrational
    T : reduces the rulers of this world to nothing
    N : makes the eath's leaders insignificant
    [ I don't know the reason for the rendering "irrational" in the H.]

    40:26
    H : Look up and see
    T : Lift up your eyes and look
    NJB : Lift your eyes and look
    NASBU : Lift up your eyes on high And see
    H : Lift on high your eyes and see

    41:5
    H : they approach and arrive
    T : they approach and come forward
    N : they approach and come

    41:6
    H : Take courage!
    T : Be strong! (NET Bible,NLTse)
    NJB : Take heart!

    42:6
    H : called you for a righteous purpose
    T : called you in righteousness (NASBU)
    H : call you in righteousness

    42:25
    H : paid no attention
    T : did not take it to heart
    Lit. did not lay it to heart

    45:1
    H : unloose the loins of kings (NASBU almost the same)
    T : strip kings of their armor
    H : the belts of kings I will loosen
    [Isn't "loins"a bit antiquated?]

    47:5
    H : mistress of kingdoms (NJB)
    T : queen of kingdoms ( NET Bible,NLTse,NASU)
     
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    Still In Isaiah

    51:3
    H : will comfort all her waste places (NASBU,NRSV
    T : will look with compassion on all her ruins
    NJB : has pity on all her ruins
    N : will console all her ruins
    NLTse : have pity on her ruins

    51:12
    H : a son of man who is given up like grass (sim. to Hebrew)
    T : human beings,who are but grass

    55:10
    H : making it germinate and sprout
    T : making it bud and flourish
    N : making it produce and yield crops

    57:1
    H : the righteous one is swept away from the presence of evil
    T : the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil
    [Two different takes.]

    59:3
    H : injustice
    T : wicked things
    N : malacious words
    NASBU,NRSV,NJB : wickedness

    59:7
    H : ruin and wretchedness are in their paths
    T : acts of violence mark their ways
    NASBU : devastation and destruction are in their highways
    NRSV : desolation and destruction are in their highways
    NLTse : Misery and destruction always follow them.

    59:15
    H : was offended
    T : was displeased (NLTse,NJB)
    Heb. : it is displeasing
    NASBU : was displeasing

    59:21
    H : the mouth of your children
    T : the mouths of your children (NRSV,NJB
    NLTse : on the lips of your children
    [The H rendering is awkward English.]
     
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    60:2
    H : and total darkness the peoples
    T : and thick darkness is over the peoples
    [The TNIV has better English here.]

    60:13
    H : my dwelling place
    T : the place for my feet (Heb.)

    60:17
    H : I will make peace your governor and well-being your ruler
    T : I will appoint peace as your guard and righteousness as your ruler
    NRSV : overseer --- taskmaster
    NLTse : leader --- ruler
    ["Well-being" and "righteousness" are quite different.]

    61:1
    H : heal the brokenhearted
    T : bind up the brokenhearted (NASBU)
    Heb. : to bind up the wounds of
    N : to help the brokenhearted
    NLTse : to comfort the brokenhearted
    NJB : to soothe the broken-hearted

    61:3
    H : splendid clothes
    T : a garment of praise (same as in Hebrew)

    61:7
    H : they will possess double
    T : you will inherit a double portion
    NASBU : they will possess a double portion
    NJB : they will have a double portion
    NLTse : You will possess a double portion

    62:1
    H : righteousness (NASBU,ESV)
    T : vindication (NET Bible,NRSV)

    62:5
    H : virgin (NASBU,NJB)
    T : young woman (NET Bible)
    NLTse : bride

    62:6
    H : You,who remind the Lord (NASBU)
    T : You who call on the Lord
    NLTse : you who pray to the Lord

    64:5
    H : we will remain in your ways and be saved
    T : How then can we be saved?
    NLTse : how can people like us be saved?
    NASBU : And shall we be saved?
    [Question or declarative statement?]

    64:9
    H : Please look
    T : look on us,we pray
    NLTse : Look at us,we pray.

    65:1
    H : I was sought by those who did not ask
    T : I revealed myself to those who did not ask
    N : I made myself available to those who did not ask for me.

    65:6 (see verse 7 also)
    H : I will repay them fully
    T : I will pay it back into their lap
    Heb. : I will pay back into their lap

    65:8
    H : there's some good in it
    T : there's still a blessing in it
    Heb. : for a blessing is in it
    NJB : for it contains a blessing

    65:19
    H : be glad in My people (NASBU)
    T : take delight in my people
    Heb. : be happy in my people
    NLTse : delight in my people
    NJB : rejoice in my people
     

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