to the people wondering about gluttony

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  1. corndogggy

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    I used to bring up gluttony alot. From my experience, most people, including myself, bring this up as a means to justify other vices. It's obviously a very valid point, and I completely agree with all the reasoning as to why gluttony is bad. I've just found that by bringing it up, it's usually because you're ashamed of another vice that people keep haggling you about. What you do about it is your own business, but I'm saying that once you realize that those people who are pointing fingers are gluttons, you will have this hate in your heart that cannot easily go away. I've destroyed some friendships because of that hate, which is obviously not good. Just keep this in mind.

    Basically, no, there is no excuse for gluttons, they are no better than a pothead or drinker, even though they will try to say otherwise, but pointing it out and having a hateful heart doesn't help them or yourself.
     
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    My understanding of glutton, is to be wasteful. My mother always made us clean up our plate and not be wasteful. Seems to me if it was all just overeating, my mother who was a very good Christian woman, would of been glad if I left some on the plate.

    Derived from the Latin gluttire, meaning to gulp down or swallow, gluttony is the over-indulgence and over-consumption of food, drink, or intoxicants to the point of waste.

    Early Church leaders (e.g., Thomas Aquinas) took a more expansive view of gluttony (Okholm 2000), arguing that it could also include an obsessive anticipation of meals, and the constant eating of delicacies and excessively costly foods.[2] He went so far as to prepare a list of five ways to commit gluttony, including:
    • Praepropere - eating too soon
    • Laute - eating too expensively
    • Nimis - eating too much
    • Ardenter - eating too eagerly
    • Studiose - eating too daintily
    BBob,
     
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    Err, something like that. The modern understanding of this term is exactly what you see if you make Google define the term:


    Glutton: "a person who is devoted to eating and drinking to excess"

    Gluttony: "habitual eating to excess"

    "Derived from the Latin gluttire, meaning to gulp down or swallow, gluttony is the over-indulgence and over-consumption of food, drink, or intoxicants to the point of waste."



    When you've eaten all you need, and you're still going back for seconds and even thirds just because it tastes good and you do this regularly, that's gluttony, pure and simple. And yes, typically the long term side effect of this behavior is being a huge fattie.


    Anyway, I think deep down most people have a pretty good understanding of what exactly it is. I'm not here to define that. The people who question what exactly it means are usually the people it applies to. My point is that stressing out about others being a glutton and how wrong they are for doing so will get you nowhere. Sooner or later you've got to let it go.
     
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    You know, they called Jesus a gluttonus person, I wonder if it was overeating or what he eat and drink. I doubt if Jesus was fat. Just a thought.
     
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    Thank you Corndoggy.

    Maybe you saw where the thread was closed with my quote & ending of the quesiton - how it related to gluttony. I couldn't answer though if the Mod believes gluttony is limited to food intake, he must have missed the other post in the thread. After receiving a few pm's from people hurt by him calling the other Posters gluttons, while I felt, he was committing the same sin. That's why I brought it up, not him.

    I was typing out a reply which stated it wasn't him who brought the topic up. I did

    We both were speaking of the State of California, where it is legal to grow and use it for medicinal uses.
    Actually, if you read the rule Tim posted, all of the alcohol threads which promote intake of any drug for recreational uses breaks this rule. Since that is the goal, to alter your mind away from a sober state to some degree.

    2. Use discretion when posting. Not all topics are beneficial or edifying to the board. Topics and/or posts that would condone racism, every form of greed, selfishness, and vice, and all forms of sexual immorality, including but not limited to adultery, homosexuality, and pornography are strictly prohibited. The decision to deem a thread or post inappropriate will remain at the discretion of the Webmaster or his designee. Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ
     
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    Ok, I confess, I'm a 51 year old man, weighing 234lbs, am 5' 10" and am a glutton. A glutton for punishment.
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    I read most of them, but I mainly just paid attention to that first post where he brought it up in the first place. Any time you're wondering about the sins of other people, it's really because you're trying to justify your own. Otherwise, why bother? Yes, there are gluttons. Yes, they get ticked when you call them on it. No, it doesn't really do any good, it just destroys relationships.
     
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    "He's a glutton for punishment" is a common old term
     
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    Warning

    Any attempt to derail this thread on gluttony to the subject of cannabis or any other drug will receive another warning. That automatically brings any such poster before the administrative council for review. The subject is gluttony, not misuse of drugs. Please do not derail the topic, and refrain from personal attacks.
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    The Sin of Gluttony is Any Sin Gone Awry...

    The sin of gluttony can be a problem with any sin that is controlling the Child of God. Any sin that we are given over to and spending every waking moment committing, is a sin of "gluttony."

    Gossip, lies, cussing, hate, anger, vengeance, porn, etc., can be a form of gluttony when it consumes the Child of God, and the Child of God lives for that sin, feeds off that sin, and can't leave that sin at the drop of a sincere prayer!

    Shalom, IMHOoC....

    Pastor Paul :type:
     
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    I agree Rd2:

    It sure means more than just being fat. I personally go to the gym for 2 hours every day and I am almost 69 years old. I wonder how many others on here do that, especially at my age. I weigh 184 lbs and am 5.9", I eat one meal a day, with some popcycles at night. I hardly call that being a glutton. Because someone responds, or tries to define glutton, does not mean he is guilty of such. Oh well, they accused the Lord also, I am in good company.

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    No, this is simple rationalization. If it were true then these sins: hate, anger, vengeance, etc. would not be mentioned in the rest of Scripture. But they are. They are specific sins just as gluttony is a specific sin. So let's keep the topic simple and not use it as a cover for just any sin. That is misleading, and a redefinition of the word.
     
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    Luk 7:34The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

    I personally wonder if Jesus was eating in a wasteful, or was he fat from over eating? I know He was eating and drinking, but was it just being wasteful, for there were a lot of poor in that day.

    Does anyone think eating one meal a day is being gluttoneous??

    BBob,
     
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    "They" (meaning the pharisees, otherwise known by Jesus as children of the devil) called Jesus a devil, a drunkard, and a heretic, in addition to calling him a glutton. It had nothing to do with him over-eating, being evil, drinking too much, or teaching error. It had to do with the fact that they hated him because he stood for forgiveness and for freedom and liberty in God, and they stood for legalism and binding men with heavier burdens then even God put on them. Though they knew the Scriptures and claimed to love them, in reality they stood for upholding tradition above all else. They were the "church leaders" of their day, full of pride and self-assurance in their own knowledge. Christ challenged their traditions with the Word of God. They therefore hated Christ, and that is why they accused and murdered Him.

    Yes, Jesus drank wine (unlike John the Baptist who abstained under his vows, Matthew 11:18) and ate foods that people like John abstained from. And because of that they were able to accuse him of being a drunkard and a glutton. But He was without sin. That means he never got drunk, he never over-ate (was not a glutton), and never taught heresy. We need not just doubt He was a glutton or a drunkard, we can know it for sure. He is the perfect Lamb of God.


     
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    I think gluttony and greed are often brought up to expose apparently hypocritical attitudes of the inconsistency where some sins appear to be more harshly judged than others.

    They are also brought up to illustrate the difference between moderation of a certain activity or attitude that is non-sinful and excess of that same activity or attitude that is sinful.
     
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    Well, I agree that Jesus was not a glutton. I am sure Jesus was not a fat man, so I wonder what the pharasees meant when they called Him a glutton. It just seem strange they picked out that sin. IMO I know Jesus did not sin, but could they have thought He was wasteful and that was a glutton. My mother thought so anyway. She always said "don't be wasteful", clean up your plate. I wondered what she meant way back then, but now I know she did not want me to be wasteful, while some children were going hungry.

    Is gluttoneous always "over eating"? I know that is what people believe, but could it just mean we can be thin and not overweight and still a glutton, because we are wasteful. What you think?

    BBob, :wavey:
     
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    I agree Bro Bob, they passed judgment on Jesus and concluded he was a glutton. I doubt if here were fat with all the walking they did. Was he then a drunkard? God forbid, he knew not sin. So what made them say this??? I believe this is why we leave judging to heaven.

    Also, how do you tell if a person is a glutton or just doesn't exercise? Wouldn't the initial appearance be the same? Would our futile minds know the difference? Gaining weight is just a matter of consuming more calories than you burn. It doesn't always mean you ate too much, sometimes it means you didn't burn enough and over time it shows.

    This is why we should leave judging to the one who knows!
     
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    You are right LeBuick; or you could be like me and on a lot of medication, which causes the body to retain fluid. We take one pill, to cause trouble somewhere else.

    How have you been? I don't get to talk to you much anymore.

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    Certainly bringing up gluttony as a means to justify what you view as personal sin or to make yourself feel better is wrong. I agree that we need to remove the log from our own eye before examining the speck in our brother's.

    That being said, gluttony is still one of the most prevalent and accepted (and deadly!) sins in America and in the church. Once we have assurance in the Spirit that we are living in obedience and prepared to divide the Word, then we not only can edify our brothers, but we have a *duty* to edify our brothers concerning sin. .. especially sin that poses serious health and spiritual dangers to individuals and to the Church as a whole.

    Gluttony is one of those sins that is never mentioned because it offends people *in* the church. Pastors can blast homosexuality all day from the pulpit, and no one is offended (b/c there are relatively few homosexuals in the pews). However, medical statistics tell us that nearly half if not more of the people in the pews are over-eaters! Therefore most pastors abstain from ever mentioning the sin of gluttony at all because they are scared of offending people. However that is exactly the sin the Church needs to hear about, for the sake of its witness to the world and for the sake of its own health.

    That being said, any edification should be done in love, and it should not be done to make us feel better about our own sin . . . but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done at all. Even if it offends, it still must be done. Christ himself is said to be an "offense" by Paul, but He still must be preached.

    You mentioned drinkers (presumably of the drug alcohol) and users of other drugs. Drugs that are illegal in most states are not a proper topic for this forum, but as far as drinking, Christ came drinking (unlike John the Baptist who abstained from wine and other fermented drink under his vows, compare Luke 1:15 and Matthew 11:18,19 below). And because Christ came drinking the Traditionalists and Legalists hated Him, they hated his freedom and the liberty He stood for. His moderate drinking allowed them to accuse him of being a drunkard... and they took every opportunity they could to levy the charge of "drunkhead"... I mean "drunkard" at Christ. But He was without sin; He was not a drunkard. That means even though he drank, he never over-drank and got drunk. In todays terms, that means if he were alive in the U.S. today he would never once get a D.U.I. or even get drunk at all. Also, even though he ate foods John had abstained from, he never once over-ate (He was not a glutton as they also accused Him of being).

    I mention that because there is an important distinction between eating and over-eating (being a glutton); between drinking and over-drinking (being a drunkard). As Gold Dragon said above, "I think gluttony and greed are often brought up . . . to illustrate the difference between moderation of a certain activity or attitude that is non-sinful and excess of that same activity or attitude that is sinful." Drinking wine and eating food are activities that can be done non-sinfully in moderation, but become sinful when done in excess. When either are done in excess by an individual or by a large portion of the Church... they need to be lovingly confronted.

    John 1
    . . . give him the name John . . . (15) for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even from birth.

    Matthew 11
    18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, 'He has a demon.'
    19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners." ' But wisdom is proved right by her actions."

     
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    You have a funny theology.
    You say Jesus drank alcoholic beverages because he was accused of being a drunkard by false witnesses.
    So Jesus, therefore, was a devil because the Pharisees accused him of being one.
    Your evidence is kind of slim and unlikely. It doesn't hold water (neither wine).
     

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