To those who disagreed with me about the indecency FCC ruling, Read this.

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    FCC Is Investigating Super Bowl Show
    Halftime Performance Faces Indecency Standards Test
    By Frank Ahrens and Lisa de Moraes
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Tuesday, February 3, 2004; Page A01


    The Federal Communications Commission launched an investigation into Sunday's controversial Super Bowl halftime show yesterday and FCC Chairman Michael K. Powell telephoned Mel Karmazin, president of CBS parent Viacom Inc., to express his outrage, saying the entertainment giant should have known what was going to transpire during the show.




    The FCC probe will encompass the entire halftime program -- including the brief exposure of singer Janet Jackson's breast and the sexualized dance routine precipitating it -- to determine if it violates indecency standards set in law and enforced by the FCC.

    If indecency violations are found, each of Viacom's 200 owned and affiliate stations could face a penalty of up to $27,500. FCC officials said the agency may also pursue penalties against CBS and the individual performers, Jackson and Justin Timberlake.

    The FCC announced its probe as NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue promised that the league would change its policies to ensure that future halftime shows are "of far more appropriate quality for the Super Bowl game."

    Powell said the investigation will be "thorough and swift."

    "I am outraged at what I saw during the halftime show of the Super Bowl," the FCC chairman said in a statement. "Like millions of Americans, my family and I gathered around the television for a celebration. Instead, that celebration was tainted by a classless, crass and deplorable stunt. Our nation's children, parents and citizens deserve better."

    The other FCC commissioners issued similar statements. In addition to the racy halftime show, some of the commercials shown during the game featured previews for violent movies and jokes employing scatological humor.

    The controversy surrounding the halftime show for Super Bowl XXXVIII -- which was watched by an estimated 99 million viewers in the United States and around the world -- stung the NFL. In addition to its U.S. audience, this year's game was telecast to 229 countries and territories, including China for the first time.

    Joe Browne, the NFL's vice president of communications and government affairs, said the league had expressed its concerns to MTV, a Viacom subsidiary, which produced the show for CBS.

    "We expressed our concerns to MTV all during the preparations for the game and we had assurances that the entertainment would be appropriate to all aspects of our audience," Browne said. "We are extremely disappointed and feel consistently let down in that we believe the show was inappropriate for our audience and embarrassing to us and to our fans. . . .

    "We applaud the FCC's investigation into the MTV-produced halftime. We and our fans were embarrassed by the entire show."

    In a statement Sunday night, Browne said it was unlikely MTV would be asked to produce halftime shows for future Super Bowls.

    "We were asked very early in the planning stages by CBS officials to give some serious consideration to have MTV produce the [halftime] show," Browne said. "At this point, I'm not sure it was a wise decision."

    Jackson and Timberlake's number -- the final act of the 12-minute halftime show at Reliant Stadium in Houston -- saw the two of them dancing and grinding suggestively to Timberlake's tune "Rock Your Body," which includes the lyric, "I'll have you naked by the end of this song." As the routine ended, Timberlake reached across Jackson's chest and pulled off the right breast cup of her black leather bodice, revealing her breast, which was adorned with a piece of jewelry that looked like a silver sunburst. After a dramatic pause, Jackson clasped her arms over her breast.

    CBS and MTV maintained yesterday that they had been unaware of the stunt beforehand. A CBS source said that there was never any choreography during the rehearsals last week that hinted Timberlake would get that close to Jackson to pull at her top. "We feel like we were duped by the whole thing," the source said. "Could it have been an accident? Who knows? . . . The only people who would were Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake."

    A statement issued by CBS said: "The moment did not conform to CBS broadcast standards and we would like to apologize to anyone who was offended."

    Jackson issued a statement late yesterday that said the bodice-ripping incident was a stunt gone bad. "The decision to have a costume reveal at the end of my halftime show performance was made after final rehearsals," she said. "MTV was completely unaware of it. It was not my intention that it go as far as it did. I apologize to anyone offended -- including the audience, MTV, CBS and the NFL."

    Timberlake expressed regret in a statement Sunday night that attributed the incident to a "wardrobe malfunction."

    But assurances made by Jackson's choreographer to MTV.com before the halftime show that viewers would see "some shocking moments" in her performance left some questioning their sincerity. MTV boasted "Janet Gets Nasty!" on its Web site Sunday night shortly after the halftime show. "Jaws across the country hit the carpet at exactly the same time," the story read. "You know what we're talking about, Justin Timberlake and a kinky finale that rocked the Super Bowl to its core."

    MTV Networks President Judy McGrath said the finale of the Jackson-Timberlake act caught the network by surprise. "I'm mostly horrified as what I think would have been an entertaining, exciting great halftime show that ended so badly in five seconds none of us knew anything about," she said.

    Powell said his unhappiness with the halftime show went beyond Jackson's exposure. It "wasn't even the most offensive part," the FCC chief said in an interview. "It was the finale of something that was offensive. The whole performance was onstage copulation." He added, "This really crossed a heinous line."

    The FCC has defined broadcast indecency as "language or material that, in context, depicts or describes, in terms patently offensive as measured by contemporary community broadcast standards for the broadcast medium, sexual or excretory organs or activities."

    The halftime show was noteworthy in light of recent events surrounding broadcast indecency, said Jonathan Cody, Powell's legal adviser. Radio giant Clear Channel Communications was fined $755,000 last week for several sexually explicit broadcasts. Two weeks ago, a bill was introduced in Congress that would increase FCC fines for indecency tenfold. Actress Diane Keaton uttered a profanity on a recent awards show and the FCC said it is considering tougher sanctions against indecency, such as broadcast license revocation.

    Also, Powell has asked his fellow commissioners to overturn a ruling by the FCC's enforcement bureau that determined a profanity uttered by rock singer Bono during an NBC awards broadcast in January 2003 was not indecent.

    "These guys have been put on clear notice," Cody said. "We are all questioning with great wonder what exactly CBS was thinking. [The FCC] is going after them for this."

    Cody said FCC lawyers were studying statutes to ascertain how far the agency's authority extends to investigate. "There's not a stone that's going to be left unturned as to what our abilities are," he said.

    Staff writer Leonard Shapiro contributed to this report from Houston.
     
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    So what? I still disagree. :D
     
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    And you teach elementary school. :(

    Diane
     
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    Yes Diane I do. What's your point? :confused:
     
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    [​IMG] To the FCC for once!

    Elementary students or ANY one should not be exposed to this junk on TV. They get enough of it at school (sometimes from their teachers)! :(
     
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    Terry, if you don't mind my asking, where do you teach? Which district/school?

    (Don't worry, it's just out of curiosity. I'm not stalking you or anything.) :D

    I have quite a few friends who teach for HISD, Cy-Fair ISD, Clear Creek ISD, etc.

    BTW, why would you disagree with the FCC stepping in and doing their job on this? You do realize that there were over 2,000 area students on the floor for the performance, don't you?
     
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    Terry, I am sorry you still disagree, but he fact is that this needed to be changed. We see now that the more you let things go, the more the world will push. Many of us stood and I believe God has honored our stand. It will not stop sin nor stop the attempts to push an ungodly agenda, but at least if we stand then we shall be found faithful.

    God bless, ;)
     
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    Whoa, this is getting very close to a personal attack!!!

    School teachers, even public school teachers, have the right to have an opinion. Most teachers know when to express those opinions. They know what to teach their students. It is a matter of job security.

    For over four hundred years, Baptists have been staunch defenders of separation of Church and State.

    There have been other threads on this subject.
     
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    Thankful, you're correct.

    HOWEVER, in order to have an informed, firmly-foundationed opinion, you must be willing to have that opinion challenged and explored.

    If, after the challenge and exploration, the individual still holds true to the opinion, nothing more can be done, and it'll be addressed at judgment day.
     
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    I agree, Don [​IMG]
     
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    Note the apology was NOT for the performance, nudity, lewd actions and lyrics.

    It was "if we offended anyone, we're sorry".

    That would not pass as an apology in a 2nd grade classroom.

    Trust that the FCC will crush this and do their job.
     
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    Note the apology was NOT for the performance, nudity, lewd actions and lyrics.

    It was "if we offended anyone, we're sorry".

    That would not pass as an apology in a 2nd grade classroom.

    Trust that the FCC will crush this and do their job.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Boy, you got that right, Bob!!! [​IMG] That little "if" says they don't know what it is that they are apologizing for.
     
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    The same goes for every apology that I have heard regarding the trash that was broadcast last Sunday. They all have said "We/I apologize if anyone was offended."

    I did see that in light of the Jackson stunt NBC edited one of its medical dramas that was supposed to show the breast of an 80 year old woman in an emergency room situation. I think that all of us who wrote to the FCC etc. should send a thank you letter to NBC for their having sense enough not to go ahead with the original version.
     
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    Terry, I stand with you.

    Do we really understand the concept of liberty? Liberty is what empowers us to live our lives according to what we, as Baptists, feel that God has mandated in His Holy Word. Because we have this liberty, we are not forced to join a state-sponsored church/denomination. This 227-year-old experiment with liberty has not worked out so badly. We even have the right to disagree here in this public forum.

    Unfortunately, there is a flip side to this coin. Liberty also ensures that those who do not agree with us are empowered with the freedom to live their lives as they see fit. Perhaps you may not agree with Larry Flint, or even Anton LaVey. But if you do not feel as though they have the same liberty to live their lives as you do, then I would argue that you do not really grasp the concept. That is tantamount to saying, "I have liberty, but since you do not share my ideas/beliefs/morals, you are not afforded the same liberty that I enjoy." Do we really want to go there?

    Secondly, Bono made a statement. He did not hurt anyone, and he did not encroach upon anyone's liberty. He simply made a bad judgment. We must not forget that in addition to being a Christian, Bono is Irish. A good friend of mine met him just outside of Dublin, and he was very congenial and gracious. They actually sat down and shared a Guiness together [Arthur Guiness was also a Christian (a devout one, actually) and Irish!!).] I have a friend who is from Sweden and she finds it appalling that, in America, we have numerous (and many times graphic) murders in prime-time television. I have never been to Ireland (or Sweden) but I am sure that they may see things in a different light with respect to cultural differences.

    Did Bono make a mistake? Yes.
    Was it something that encroached upon our liberty? Nope.
    Are there more important things in life than becoming fixated on an event that happened a while ago? Sure.
    Is this subject as important as the fact that the media is becoming an oligopoly under Powell's watch? Not even close!
    Is this ruling concerning the expletive more important than the ruling that was handed down in Mass. this week?? I think we all know the answer to this one....

    Remember: corporations serve one god: the god money. The best thing we could possibly do is to hit them where it hurts: by not watching their channel. There is an old saying that proclaims that there is no such thing as bad publicity. By dwelling upon the innocuous and refusing to let this subject die, we are only proving the validity of this old saying.

    Lastly, do we really want the FCC to tell us what is or isn't acceptable speech? This is the proverbial double-edged sword. The FCC is a government agency, and thankfully they are not empowered with making the law. Remember the outrage and backlash that was heaped upon the FCC and Michael Powell over this: if successful, the same process could be forced on the FCC again by the gay community with respect to pastors that get on television and preach against sodomy.

    If you don't think that will happen, you are in for a rude awakening......

    [ February 07, 2004, 01:23 PM: Message edited by: Baptist in Richmond ]
     
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    Of course the "challenge and exploration" is a two-way thoroughfare....
     
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    B in R, You say that Bono is a christian, but his speech betrays him. You are known by your works and you words. Words and works are not salvation, but it speaks volumes of who you are. I wish I could see him in a different light, but he keeps on identifying with darkness. I am not his judge, but I am a fruit inspector. He may be gracious and nice, but I am sure that Ozzy Osburne has his good moments also.
    Now as far as your assumption that words don't harm, well I must disagree. Young people look at these guys as ways to be acceptable. If Bono, who you say claim is christian, says things like that then the young people will assume the same thing. Believe me what is in a man doesn't just slip out, it was in his heart. Those things do harm people for the negative. We have liberty, but that liberty should not used to do wrong.
    2Peter 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
    I for one am glad the FCC has decided to draw a line in the sand. The alternative is furthering debauchery.

    PS here is a quote from Bono
    As I said what is in the heart will come out.

    [ February 09, 2004, 01:24 PM: Message edited by: Jailminister ]
     
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    Greetings, Jailminister: hope this post finds you well. Sorry for the delay in responding to you, but I have been in Columbus, OH on a business trip.

    As for my saying that Bono is a Christian, I am only repeating what he has said. I have heard him on several occasions state his faith. There was a special on VH-1 on the band, and although Adam and Larry do not claim to be Christians, Bono and The Edge definitely do. Did you see the SuperBowl special that they did after 9/11/01? They played the song "Where The Streets Have No Name" as the names of the victims of the WTC scrolled behind the band. This song is about Heaven. They also have a song where the lyrics are taken from the Psalms. Although I cannot speculate as to the validity of his claim, he does indeed profess to be a Christian.

    I would disagree with this statement. Bono is not the typical pop star: not even close. I do not consider an expletive justification for the claim that "he keeps on identifying with darkness."

    You are right in that we disagree. Why is there such an uproar over this event? Do you realize that this isn't the first time this has happened?
    A while back, Bono came on television to introduce Frank Sinatra (back when he was alive), and used the "F bomb" then as well.
    The guys from the group Guns N Roses went up onstage to collect an award (cannot remember what it was and didn't actually see it happen). The guys from the band were apparently quite visibly intoxicated, and dropped the "F bomb" several times.

    In a perfect world, this would indeed be true. But we do not live in a perfect world..........yet. Government cannot and should not legislate morality.

    Believe me, I understand your position; however, I would argue that while we are fixated upon an event that has already happened, the media is consolidating at an alarming rate, and is arguably becoming an oligopoly. This fact is a hundred times more egregious than a one-time utterance of the "F bomb."
     
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    B in R, You did not address the quote I gave you from Bono in January of this year. PS when he gave that quote he had just arrived here from Ireland with his "shack up" girlfriend. This is not the actions of a Christian. His singing a Psalm or a Christian song does not make him a christian. Many shall say LORD LORD, but Jesus willl say I never knew you.
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    Then how do you explain this: James 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. and Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
    Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.


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    That is strange, That is exactly the job of government. All laws have morals in them. They may be good morals or bad morals, but the government is the standard bearer of society. It seems that you have plugged into the concept that there are no moral absolutes that came out of the pits of hell with the philosphy of the 1960's and 70's of "I'm ok and your'e ok". That is a lie. The bible says Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: Government does legislate Morals.

    Welcome back from Ohio, Have a blessed day!
     
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    Greetings Jailminister: hope you had a GLORIOUS day. I was thinking about you today (saw a picture of Chairman Powell on television this morning) and actually prayed that God would guide you in your work as a jail minister. My apologies, as I did not notice your reply.

    Again, I am not saying that Bono is a Christian, I am saying that HE says he is a Christian. It is not up to me to decide if he is a Believer, as that is between him and Almighty God. As grace is the only reason that I am bound for Heaven, I feel that it is not my place to speculate as to his eternal security.

    That is strange, That is exactly the job of government.
    All laws have morals in them. They may be good morals or bad morals, but the government is the standard bearer of society. It seems that you have plugged into the concept that there are no moral absolutes that came out of the pits of hell with the philosphy of the 1960's and 70's of "I'm ok and your'e ok". That is a lie. The bible says Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: Government does legislate Morals.</font>[/QUOTE]I would strongly disagree with you. It is not the job of government to dictate morality, and I would be very wary of any government who makes any attempt to mandate morality.

    America was a haven for those who did not subscribe to your belief. In England they had a state religion, and those who did not submit to the Church of England were persecuted. Using this Verse in the context you have presented, the Puritans were guilty of sedition, and were sinners. What about the Anabaptists, who fled persecution in the area that is now mostly Germany (Germany didn’t exist until the second half of the 19th century)? We have liberty in the United States. The Bill of Rights guarantees that we are free from government-legislated morality. God save us from the government if it starts legislating what it believes to be “moral absolutism.”

    You and I subscribe to the Judeo-Christian Values outlined in our Bible, which we believe to be God’s Holy Word. There are some in this world who do not hold to the Judeo-Christian Value system (most notably Deepak Chopra (sp?) who seemingly hates Christianity). God has given us the choice to serve Him. It is up to each of us to decide if we accept the morality of God Almighty.

    Tell me, do you really want this government to mandate what is right and wrong? This is the same government who has given us such horrible legislation as the Patriot Act, and such legal decisions as Roe v. Wade and the decision in Massachusetts concerning gay marriage. What “morals” are contained in these?
    I remember how furious you were that the Alabama Supreme Court was forced to take down the 10 Commandments. Are you now in agreement with this ruling?
     
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    Hey everybody, let's not forget that Janet was symbolically raped by Justin Timberlewd. This is the worst part to me, not the exposure of part of her mammary gland. That's a very minor point, mothers nursing sometimes are seen. The gigantic thing to me is the ripping by a MAN of a woman's clothing. And recall the crotch grabbing of the male rap stars during Super Bored Show. Why is everyone attacking the female. I'm a man and I'm appalled by these male rock and rap [falling] stars. What jerks they all are. Listen to and buy Christian music only.
     

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