To those who disagreed with me about the indecency FCC ruling, Read this.

So what? I still disagree.

 

And you teach elementary school.

Diane

 

Yes Diane I do. What's your point?

 

To the FCC for once!

Elementary students or ANY one should not be exposed to this junk on TV. They get enough of it at school (sometimes from their teachers)!

 

Terry, if you don't mind my asking, where do you teach? Which district/school?

(Don't worry, it's just out of curiosity. I'm not stalking you or anything.)

I have quite a few friends who teach for HISD, Cy-Fair ISD, Clear Creek ISD, etc.

BTW, why would you disagree with the FCC stepping in and doing their job on this? You do realize that there were over 2,000 area students on the floor for the performance, don't you?

 

Whoa, this is getting very close to a personal attack!!!

School teachers, even public school teachers, have the right to have an opinion. Most teachers know when to express those opinions. They know what to teach their students. It is a matter of job security.

For over four hundred years, Baptists have been staunch defenders of separation of Church and State.

There have been other threads on this subject.

 

Thankful, you're correct.

HOWEVER, in order to have an informed, firmly-foundationed opinion, you must be willing to have that opinion challenged and explored.

If, after the challenge and exploration, the individual still holds true to the opinion, nothing more can be done, and it'll be addressed at judgment day.

 

I agree, Don

 

Note the apology was NOT for the performance, nudity, lewd actions and lyrics.

It was "if we offended anyone, we're sorry".

That would not pass as an apology in a 2nd grade classroom.

Trust that the FCC will crush this and do their job. </font>[/QUOTE]Boy, you got that right, Bob!!! That little "if" says they don't know what it is that they are apologizing for.

 

The same goes for every apology that I have heard regarding the trash that was broadcast last Sunday. They all have said "We/I apologize if anyone was offended."

I did see that in light of the Jackson stunt NBC edited one of its medical dramas that was supposed to show the breast of an 80 year old woman in an emergency room situation. I think that all of us who wrote to the FCC etc. should send a thank you letter to NBC for their having sense enough not to go ahead with the original version.

 

Terry, I stand with you.

Do we really understand the concept of liberty? Liberty is what empowers us to live our lives according to what we, as Baptists, feel that God has mandated in His Holy Word. Because we have this liberty, we are not forced to join a state-sponsored church/denomination. This 227-year-old experiment with liberty has not worked out so badly. We even have the right to disagree here in this public forum.

Unfortunately, there is a flip side to this coin. Liberty also ensures that those who do not agree with us are empowered with the freedom to live their lives as they see fit. Perhaps you may not agree with Larry Flint, or even Anton LaVey. But if you do not feel as though they have the same liberty to live their lives as you do, then I would argue that you do not really grasp the concept. That is tantamount to saying, "I have liberty, but since you do not share my ideas/beliefs/morals, you are not afforded the same liberty that I enjoy." Do we really want to go there?

Secondly, Bono made a statement. He did not hurt anyone, and he did not encroach upon anyone's liberty. He simply made a bad judgment. We must not forget that in addition to being a Christian, Bono is Irish. A good friend of mine met him just outside of Dublin, and he was very congenial and gracious. They actually sat down and shared a Guiness together [Arthur Guiness was also a Christian (a devout one, actually) and Irish!!).] I have a friend who is from Sweden and she finds it appalling that, in America, we have numerous (and many times graphic) murders in prime-time television. I have never been to Ireland (or Sweden) but I am sure that they may see things in a different light with respect to cultural differences.

Did Bono make a mistake? Yes.
Was it something that encroached upon our liberty? Nope.
Are there more important things in life than becoming fixated on an event that happened a while ago? Sure.
Is this subject as important as the fact that the media is becoming an oligopoly under Powell's watch? Not even close!
Is this ruling concerning the expletive more important than the ruling that was handed down in Mass. this week?? I think we all know the answer to this one....

Remember: corporations serve one god: the god money. The best thing we could possibly do is to hit them where it hurts: by not watching their channel. There is an old saying that proclaims that there is no such thing as bad publicity. By dwelling upon the innocuous and refusing to let this subject die, we are only proving the validity of this old saying.

Lastly, do we really want the FCC to tell us what is or isn't acceptable speech? This is the proverbial double-edged sword. The FCC is a government agency, and thankfully they are not empowered with making the law. Remember the outrage and backlash that was heaped upon the FCC and Michael Powell over this: if successful, the same process could be forced on the FCC again by the gay community with respect to pastors that get on television and preach against sodomy.

If you don't think that will happen, you are in for a rude awakening......

[ February 07, 2004, 01:23 PM: Message edited by: Baptist in Richmond ]

 

Of course the "challenge and exploration" is a two-way thoroughfare....

 

Greetings, Jailminister: hope this post finds you well. Sorry for the delay in responding to you, but I have been in Columbus, OH on a business trip.

As for my saying that Bono is a Christian, I am only repeating what he has said. I have heard him on several occasions state his faith. There was a special on VH-1 on the band, and although Adam and Larry do not claim to be Christians, Bono and The Edge definitely do. Did you see the SuperBowl special that they did after 9/11/01? They played the song "Where The Streets Have No Name" as the names of the victims of the WTC scrolled behind the band. This song is about Heaven. They also have a song where the lyrics are taken from the Psalms. Although I cannot speculate as to the validity of his claim, he does indeed profess to be a Christian.

I would disagree with this statement. Bono is not the typical pop star: not even close. I do not consider an expletive justification for the claim that "he keeps on identifying with darkness."

You are right in that we disagree. Why is there such an uproar over this event? Do you realize that this isn't the first time this has happened?
A while back, Bono came on television to introduce Frank Sinatra (back when he was alive), and used the "F bomb" then as well.
The guys from the group Guns N Roses went up onstage to collect an award (cannot remember what it was and didn't actually see it happen). The guys from the band were apparently quite visibly intoxicated, and dropped the "F bomb" several times.

In a perfect world, this would indeed be true. But we do not live in a perfect world..........yet. Government cannot and should not legislate morality.

Believe me, I understand your position; however, I would argue that while we are fixated upon an event that has already happened, the media is consolidating at an alarming rate, and is arguably becoming an oligopoly. This fact is a hundred times more egregious than a one-time utterance of the "F bomb."

 

Greetings Jailminister: hope you had a GLORIOUS day. I was thinking about you today (saw a picture of Chairman Powell on television this morning) and actually prayed that God would guide you in your work as a jail minister. My apologies, as I did not notice your reply.

Again, I am not saying that Bono is a Christian, I am saying that HE says he is a Christian. It is not up to me to decide if he is a Believer, as that is between him and Almighty God. As grace is the only reason that I am bound for Heaven, I feel that it is not my place to speculate as to his eternal security.

That is strange, That is exactly the job of government.
All laws have morals in them. They may be good morals or bad morals, but the government is the standard bearer of society. It seems that you have plugged into the concept that there are no moral absolutes that came out of the pits of hell with the philosphy of the 1960's and 70's of "I'm ok and your'e ok". That is a lie. The bible says Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: Government does legislate Morals.</font>[/QUOTE]I would strongly disagree with you. It is not the job of government to dictate morality, and I would be very wary of any government who makes any attempt to mandate morality.

America was a haven for those who did not subscribe to your belief. In England they had a state religion, and those who did not submit to the Church of England were persecuted. Using this Verse in the context you have presented, the Puritans were guilty of sedition, and were sinners. What about the Anabaptists, who fled persecution in the area that is now mostly Germany (Germany didn’t exist until the second half of the 19th century)? We have liberty in the United States. The Bill of Rights guarantees that we are free from government-legislated morality. God save us from the government if it starts legislating what it believes to be “moral absolutism.”

You and I subscribe to the Judeo-Christian Values outlined in our Bible, which we believe to be God’s Holy Word. There are some in this world who do not hold to the Judeo-Christian Value system (most notably Deepak Chopra (sp?) who seemingly hates Christianity). God has given us the choice to serve Him. It is up to each of us to decide if we accept the morality of God Almighty.

Tell me, do you really want this government to mandate what is right and wrong? This is the same government who has given us such horrible legislation as the Patriot Act, and such legal decisions as Roe v. Wade and the decision in Massachusetts concerning gay marriage. What “morals” are contained in these?
I remember how furious you were that the Alabama Supreme Court was forced to take down the 10 Commandments. Are you now in agreement with this ruling?

 

Hey everybody, let's not forget that Janet was symbolically raped by Justin Timberlewd. This is the worst part to me, not the exposure of part of her mammary gland. That's a very minor point, mothers nursing sometimes are seen. The gigantic thing to me is the ripping by a MAN of a woman's clothing. And recall the crotch grabbing of the male rap stars during Super Bored Show. Why is everyone attacking the female. I'm a man and I'm appalled by these male rock and rap [falling] stars. What jerks they all are. Listen to and buy Christian music only.