too many legalistic baptist

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  1. Dallasdid

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    I am tired of Legalistic Baptist. I am tired of Baptist who want to tell you Christian Music of today is wrong (CCM, Praise and Worship) I wander how any one can condemn it. I went to a Baptist church in RI that all the time cut down and said CCM was the devils music. There are teens coming to Christ through this, and that continue to come to Christ through it and somehow these legalist can tell you its not of God. Well, if it was not of God how come teens are coming to Christ? Are you telling me God would use sin to bring people to Him? And why you sit and condemn it the people you say are wrong are bringing youth to Christ and guess what those who criticize are not. So I would be the one who brings them to Christ not the one who cuts down the people who do so. It makes me upset how people will condemn Christian music of today and they are doing nothing them selves to win lost teens to Christ not one thing. So how about we just get our way and make those people stop CCM and then no one will be reaching the teens they are and they will die and go to hell but hey at least they are not playing CCM. It is upsetting and I just think instead of condemning Christian music why not try to reach the teens for Christ like it is. When you stand before God I would want to be the one witnessing and leading people to Christ not the Pharisee who criticized the people bringing teens to Christ.
     
  2. Joshua Rhodes

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    Dallas,

    Thanks for voicing your concern. I think everyone here knows where I stand on the issue, so I won't state further here, but I appreciate your willingness to stand up and voice your opinion boldly! I hope no one douses your flame, brother! [​IMG]

    In His Grip,
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  3. rlvaughn

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    Dallas, I am a music lover, but I wonder where the scripture teaches that music - whether CCM, southern gospel, country gospel, old hymns, or whatever - will bring people to salvation?
     
  4. Sherrie

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    Scripture does not tell us music doesn't either. Its a back and forth arguement. Why do we go there?

    I think good CCM music does have a good solid message about the Gospel, that teens and young adults are listening to. They are hearing the Gospel, and they are going to the Lord. It has become a most beneficial tool in todays world.

    Not only is CCM music being sung, but the singer also takes a part of his show to witness to people in the audience.

    Listening to CCM music is no different than listening to the older Gospel music. The only difference is the younger adults and teens can relate to the song. Just like an older person would relate to an older song.

    Just like anything else you just have to pay attention.

    Just because someone says they are a Baptist Preacher does not make him gold. There are bad Baptist Pastors who are leading lots of people down a wrong path. The same is for all things. You have to pay attention . Even in CCM music, or in Hymns, or in Southern Gospel music.

    God did not send down by lightening only Southern Baptist Hymnal Books and say this shall be all you sing! Nor did he say thee and thou shall be words you speak for thousands of years.

    This arguement is so old its sick. If you do not like it, don't listen to it. But to say it is all evil is just rediculous. That really is being a legalist.

    No where in the Bible does it say to have an altar call at the end of a sermon either, but it is still done! Or dinners at church can only be every 5th Sunday. Or thou shall only sing Baptist Hymnal songs. No where does it say thou shall pass a offering plate at the beginning/middle of your church Service either.


    I just wonder what those that say CCM music is evil, will sing once they get to heaven? Because it wont be a Baptist Hymnal they will be singing out of!


    Sherrie
     
  5. rlvaughn

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    I don't really even like the Southern Baptist's hymnal! :eek: My point is that MUSIC does not bring people to Christ, whether it is in the Southern Baptist hymnal or by some contemporary Christian artist.
     
  6. Joshua Rhodes

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    You are correct. Nothing we can do can lead someone to Christ, unless He draws them to Himself. We are merely witnesses of the awesome power of God!

    Music, whether it be hymns or contemporary music, is only a tool that can be used by God. This of course, is just my humble opinion. [​IMG]

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  7. Sherrie

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    I did say that.


    That I agree with both of you on!
    Sherrie
     
  8. Ben W

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    Unfortunatley Dallasdid, Legalism is entrenched in many different churches. Often it becomes conspicious that these groups are the ones that are not getting anyone saved themselves and spending there time throwing stones at those that are. Ultimatley it is a problem solved through natural attrition. :D
     
  9. Dallasdid

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    not the music that saves people did not mean to give you that idea like some music is played and boom 4 people saved this is not my paud piper theory [​IMG] but at the concerts they preach the Gospel every concert I have ever been to they preach the Gospel they are doing what a lot of baptist dont they reach teens that a lot of legalistic baptist dont and yet well "bless God its wrong and it should stop" well fine lets stop it and those teens being reached with the gospel will die and go to hell but hey atleast ccm is not being spread and you know what that is how alot of people act. I grew up in a church just like it. But one singer once said "that's my story and Im sticken to it." [​IMG]
     
  10. DanielFive

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    Very passionate post, but prepare for a servere 'dousing' when I have time. :D :rolleyes:
     
  11. Aaron

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    I am tired of licentious Baptist [sic]. ;)
     
  12. Dr. Bob

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    Not using CCM makes one a legalist?

    Find THAT in Galatians. How silly a statement. :rolleyes:
     
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    Yeah, starting a thread with such an harsh title seems to lack grace.

    It's going to the opposite extreme. Maybe "hyper-traditional" would be a better term than legalistic?

    After all, I've heard some strong opposition to CCM/modern worship but I haven't heard anyone saying we CAN'T listen to it...only that they (REALLY) don't like it.

    A subtle difference from legalism.


    So back to your corners and when bell rings come out fighting...but use those soft gloves that the Lord gives you for the brethren!

    [​IMG]
     
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    Actually, it's been said that CCM is ungodly and anyone who listens to it is sinning. Just ask Enda or Aaron if it's a sin to listen to CCM.
     
  15. DanielFive

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    Believe it or not I'm going to come to the defence of Dallasdid (John).

    Having spoken with him through PM I think I can say that he wasn't intending to start a major debate here. He's a teenager and a very zealous young Christian as far as I can see so far be it from me to jump on him for letting off a bit of steam.

    Its the oldies who should know better that bug me. ;) (.....oh and Jonathon as well but that goes without saying :D )
     
  16. Joshua Rhodes

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    Well, we've all done that. Well done, Dallas!
     
  17. donnA

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    There are plenty of hymns, southern gospel, bluegrass gospel, country gospel, and all the acceptable modes of music that do not have a good chrisitan message. I don't see threads about why those types of christian music are satanic. Just as in all types of christian mucsic there are good and bad songs.
     
  18. DanielFive

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    All right then, you can start with the hymns. I'm sure you can back up that statement so lets see some hymns with a bad Christian message.
     
  19. Aaron

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    How about In the Garden? Talk of your nothing, empty and vain songs! [​IMG]
     
  20. Candi016

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    I agree with ya there. I am soo tired of it too.

    Theres actually a church that says CCM is the devils music?!? Oh my..thats sad and makes me pretty angry at the same time. How can someone condemn something, especially when not ALL of it is offensive, like that :confused: :(
    Im sure God would be upset about this too

    Great post brother [​IMG]

    God Bless
    YSIC,
    Candace
     

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