Totalitarianism - The Witnesses Speak

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  1. Revmitchell

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    Now, some of its victims and witnesses are speaking out. They are trying to warn the American people that what has happened in their former countries is rapidly approaching us, also.

    One such witness, Hilmar von Campe, a former German Hitler Youth member, sounds the alarm. An article by WorldNetDaily dated November 13, 2008, quotes von Campe:

    “Every day brings this nation closer to a Nazi-style totalitarian abyss,” writes Hilmar von Campe, now a U.S. citizen, and author of ‘Defeating the Totalitarian Lie: A Former Hitler Youth Warms America’".

    ….”I lived the Nazi nightmare, and, as the saying goes, ‘A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument,’” writes von Campe. “Everything I write is based on my personal experience in Nazi Germany. There is nothing theoretical about my description of what happens when a nation throws God out of government and society, and Christians become religious bystanders.”

    …..”It took me a long time to understand and define the nature of National Socialism”, says von Campe. “And, unfortunately, their philosophy continues to flourish under different labels remaining a menace to America and free human society.”

    …..”Democratic procedures can be subverted and dishonest politicians are like sand in the gearbox, abundant, everywhere and destructive,” he writes. “What I see in America today is people painting their cabins while the ship goes down. Today in America we are witnessing a repeat performance of the tragedy of 1933 when an entire nation let itself be led like a lamb to the Socialist slaughterhouse. This time, the end of freedom is inevitable unless America rises to her mission and destiny.”

    But, aren’t people in our government watching out for us? Where are the guards?

    Some are bound by the sinews of political correctness. Many are drugged, frozen by poison. Arsenic? Sarin? Cyanide? No, TV, which has immobilized them. Many are counting their bribes.

    Why don’t we hear more about this? Does the serpent announce himself before his fangs pierce the soft flesh of his victim? His poison stills its resistance, precluding any chance of survival.

    Stealth is employed by the totalitarians. They are chameleons, covertly hiding among us.


    More Witnesses Here
     
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    Uh-huh. <YAWN>
     
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    You are very despicable. A watchman never yawns in the watchtower. Any supposed member of the Christian community should be harbingers of freedom and while a society is free, is its salt. As the free society deteriorates, just as the prophets of old, we are it's warning system.
     
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    I support freedom greatly and with zeal. But I am not an alarmist nor do I support alarmist. This OP is simply a type of post that tries to make people afraid. I have lived in the 3rd world for various lengths of time, I have lived in Communist China, I have listened to Christians from countries where there have been persecuted. The USA is not moving that direction, at least not after the just past election and I will give no credience to fear mongers.

    [p.s. I learned the uh-huh from Rev. I put in the <yawn> because the message said the message was too short to post.]
     
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    Old story to excuse one's Naziism in pre-war and wartime Germany. The get rid of the Jews philosophy was not socialism by a stretch.

    If the so-called "free" world had not stood back and allowed the communist Russia to move in on Berlin, Germany might have repaired itself much earlier and rebuilt to the strong economic nation it became. Remember, it was a nation that elected Hitler and not just a Party. The German population was anti-Jewish through those years and the Jews owned most of the business and factories. The people wanted he Jews out and the non-Jewish Germans in. Germany even asked other contries, including England and Canada, to relieve Germany and we all refused to take the Jews. So much for democracies!

    Give the socialist threat a rest. Communism is to be feared, but socialism simply recognizes our responsibility toward all peoples, rich and poor.

    Cheers,

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    You are right Jim ... and the West including the USA did great harm and ensured World War II with the Munich agreement.
     
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    Having lived through totalitarianism in our history's past caries more weight and credibility than simply traveling the world. And to dismiss their concerns as alarmism is childish.
     
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    It is alarmism. We are not headed toward totalarianism.

    I have seen our country move from:

    Jim Crow laws to civil right laws for all.

    From poll taxes to keep African Americans and poor white from voting to voter rights for all

    From "equal but separate" which was separate but anything but equal.

    I have see our country move from frequent lynchings to no lynchings, none that I am aware of.

    So, don't bother me with your conspiracy theories. We are a much better country now than when I was a kid, much freerer for all. If you do not appreciate what you have in the US try some other places ... but stop trying to frighten people and tarnish its image.
     
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    Wow. Apparently you do not realize that you do not have to participate in any thread of your choosing. So in case you don't feel free to move on. But what is fact is no one has "bothered" you. You simply inserted yourself.
     
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    A member from my church is from Romania. He expresses the same concerns. You can be as dismisal as you want to be, but many sober-minded people have serious and legitamate concerns about the encrouching power of government and the loss of our individual freedoms.

    This American here for one won't go down without a fight.
     
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    We have lost freedoms the last 8 years. But I believe that will be turned around. But we are nothing like other countries. We have serveral Romanian students here and they say that Romania is basically run by the mafai. I would not be surprised at any Romanian being fearful of loosing any new found freedom.

    But look at our history over the last 70 years and see how much better off we are, how much freerer everyone in the US is now, especially minority groups.

    Oh, and I forgot on the other post to say:

    I have seen charter communities who had to amend their charterse so they no longer read: "No N.......'s or Chinamen allowed."

    So, I have little tolerance for the fear mongers among us and those who seemingly do not know how far we have come.

    I will agree we must always be on guard. That is a given. Rights were lost in the last 8 years when the Bush admin. used fear. But, as I indicated, I have hope that some of the draconian measures brought about since 2000 will be modified and perhaps done away with.
     
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    Unless you are a pre-born baby.
     
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    Please tell us in detail just what freedoms have been lost over the last 8 years.

    I still own a gun and enjoy my private property (though it is heavily taxed and must jump through hoops if I want to do anything with it and that is not due to Bush but due to the local Democratic controlled County Commission). I can still worship with all my fellow Christian brothers and sisters unmolested by government. I can still post a protest with the government (locally, state or federal) without reprisals. Last but not least, Apparently the press still has full rights to say anything they wish against the President.

    So, Crabby just what have you been doing these last 8 years to loose your freedom?
     
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    I totally agree with this article. What are the signs of encroaching totalitarianism in America? Well, a terrible tragedy occurs on 9/11 and the President acts as if nothing has happened. He uses that event for political advantage and for taking away many of our constitutional rights such as Habeas Corpus and the requirement for a search warrant. He goes to war in Afghanistan and Iraq based on an anti-terrorism battle that is never-ending. (This sound very much like the classis novel "1984.") he destroys our country economically but somehow manages to still spend as much on the military as the rest of the world combined.

    He uses the church much as this article described to achieve his political objectives. His advisers call out for American World Supremacy. He derides his political opponents as anti-American. Just like "1984" war is peace and division is unity.

    Remember, the writer is worried about things he has seen not about things that might happen as a result of the Presidential election. Hopefully, he can look back at the election of 2008 and say that was when we finally turned the tide back to freedom.
     
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    Some people have to see and smell the fire before they are willing to take action. The person who characterizes another as an alarmist without first giving careful consideration to weigh the report, is not only willingly complicit in his own demise.... if he waits too late to act..... but is infecting others with the virus of apathy ...... a little slumber, a little sleep, a little folding of the hands.
    Proverbs 26:13 The slothful man saith, There is a lion in the way: a lion is in the streets. Any excuse sufficieth for the person who is lazy and wishes not to be 'bothered'.
    Proverbs 24; 30-34. I went by the field of the slothful, and by the vineyard of the man void of understanding; And, lo, it was all grown over with thorns, and nettles had covered the face thereof, and the stone wall therof was broken down. Then I saw, and considered it welll: I looked upon it, and receive instruction. Yet a little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to sleep: So shall thy poverty come as one that travelleth: and thy want as an armed man. By the time another observer sees the repairs needed in ones own yard of neglect, it is often too late, or a very massive task to recover that which was lost bit by bit, when daily care would have prevented ruin and destruction.

    Can it be that our founding fathers paid for this great land and hammered out our government upon 5000 years of human experience and rule and the blood of patriot lives...... yet we are unwilling to accept the small challenges asked of us by those who have experience and would warn us, to digest what they have to say, and become conscious of our own resistance and programing and desires..... so that we discipline our minds to receive any good or value or warning in a report? No! Such is too much to ask of us! If it is not our blood, if it is not a threat at our door, why should we worry about the carnege up the street or the gang moving up a neighbors driveway or standing in our own yard? Such is the quality of dissmissal.

    Well, soon enough will the generation of this gentleman pass into oblivion along with the wisdom of his experience.... and the modern histories will not record or teach it to the level of mass education so that by HS graduation, students already are informed: and the generation which I am in, which has been blessed to have fathers and grandfathers who passed on their experience, wisdom and information will soon loose touch with our own memories, second-hand knowledge, and withdraw into concerns connected with the frialties of our age so that this present generation, which is loosing its spiritual compass, will have also lost its compass of manifest destiny and will accept subjugation to whatever will be will be..... in the terms of their vanacular "whatever".
     
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    Wonder how much longer before BB blames Bush for the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah? - Metaphorically speaking of course.:BangHead::laugh::BangHead::thumbs:

    (I do believe that BB's keyboard would not work if he couldn't blame SOMETHING on Bush!)
     
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    Our government is made of humans and will produce its faults and its corrections as long as the people have a say, or recourse to dissent and vote and voice their dissent. The corrections which you observe are a process of the Constitution of the United States which worked , even for the corrections to take place in societies ills and inequality:

    The freedoms you say are taken away, are not taken away without the action of law: A president can write as many executive orders as he likes.... but as long as the other checks and balances are in place and active....... he can write none and then place into action without the possibility of its strength being nixed by either of the other two branches which strike down the constitutional challenge brought by suit or the failure to fund or pass laws which support.

    In the instances where we perceive our freedoms are indanger of being infringed upon.... it is because our own congress has passed laws, often without careful prior review and scrutiny, which then allows the president to write executive orders which define how those laws are carried out. If the laws weren't passed the president could not write non-supported executive orders. That's how that works. So put the blame on congress.

    Even if this president had written no executive orders...... the laws which are passed, sometimes most carelessly, by congress... are the basis of support for executive orders for any person holding office as president.... which means something (an infringement or restriction of right/freedom) neglected from observation and change which occurred as much as 15 or 25 years ago, may still be a part of current law on which an executive order may be written. The passage of thes laws, all involved bipartisan participation and agreement or they could have been stopped or the partisan divisions could have acted to both know the laws and informed the people so that we could have raised our 'alarm' within our own districts and to our own representatives to support them in stopping the congressional vote or in repeal of the laws. There are perhaps many, many laws which are deserving of review and repeal.
     
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    Your house can be searched with no warrant and without you knowing it.

    Same with your phone.

    You can be arrested without a warrent, held as long as Homeland Security desires to hold you. You will not be told who accused your, or why you are arrested. You family may be told, but again they do not have to be told.

    There are other rights you have lost. Study the Homeland Security Bill.

    You are encouraged to spy on others. We have large electronic signs on several major roads in my area and usually it says, "Report suspicious activity" and then a telephone number is given. When I was growing up we were told to be proud that we, the USA did to spy on our own. Only Communists and other bad governments did that.
     
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    I will say that he does not believe in what most of us call Christianity.
     
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    Exactly what does "freedom" mean? As long as the govt lets us keep guns and go to whatever church we want, live and work where we want, are we not free?

    The moral difference between getting rid of Jews and getting rid of homosexuals is what?

    Isn't the hallmark of totalitarian countries the invasion of smaller countries while claiming to "free" them?
     

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