Tracing your Ancestry to Adam

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  1. Mike Gascoigne

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    Did you know that if you can trace your family tree to the English monarchy, you can trace it all the way back to Adam? The key ancestor is Edith Atheling, the Scottish princess who married Henry I, King of England, the son of William the Conqueror and his wife Matilda. Edith was re-named "Matilda" because it was thought that a Norman Queen with a Scottish name would not go down well with the English Barons. Her ancestry can be traced back along the Scottish royal line, then the Irish, then the Milesian settlers who are descended from Magog the grandson of Noah. At this point we are into Biblical history and we can trace it back to Adam.

    None of this has got anything to do with the British Israelites who say that Tea Tephi, the wife of Heremon (son of Milesius of Spain), was the daughter of Zedekiah the last king of Israel. She was in fact the daughter of Lughaidh, the cousin of Milesius, and there is no reason to believe that the Irish people are descended from the Israelites. Instead they connect with the Biblical history much earlier because they are descended from Magog.

    Henry I was King of England from 1100 to 1135. He married Edith (Matilda) in the year of his coronation and there are about 30 generations of descendants from this couple down to the present time. As the numbers multiply with each generation, it is possible that the whole world could be descended from them along one or more family lines, and this raises the possibility that we could all trace our personal ancestry back to Adam. However, it's difficult for most of us, because we can only trace our ancestry back for a few generations, depending on how well our family history has been preserved, and the quality of information in the various public records offices around the world.

    Nathan Pyles believes that he has traced his ancestry back to a so-called "Gateway Ancestor" who is known to be descended from the royalty. She is called Ann Abel (b.1753, d.1814) and she is descended from Edward I, King of England (1272-1307) and the complete genealogy all the way back to Adam is given on the following page:

    www.annomundi.co.uk/history/pyles_genealogy.htm

    Mike Gascoigne
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  2. Bro. James Reed

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    You can put me in that list.

    I am a documented descendant of the Plantagenet Kings of England.

    I guess I can finally prove I am from Adam. :D

    Where else? :D
     
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    Naw, I can trace my ancestry on my father's side to the peasants of England. Nevertheless, I'm sure Adam is back there, in the beginning, along with Eve even if we've lost track of who was there in between.
     
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    &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Her ancestry can be traced back along the Scottish royal line, then the Irish, then the Milesian settlers who are descended from Magog the grandson of Noah. At this point we are into Biblical history and we can trace it back to Adam.&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

    hmmm.. I wouldn't bet much on it. Tough thing to prove, I suspect.
     
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    Sounds like poppycock. All royal families invented geneaologies to boost their standing. Ask the Merovingians, who alternately are descended from Jesus (ask Dan Brown), Noah, the Trojans or Arcadia.

    Even within those bounds, the multitude of illegitimate or spurious heirs within the line make geneaologies suspicious.

    For example, it's entirely possible that the Romanov dynasty didn't have a single drop of Romanov blood since Catherine the Great.
     
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    You people leave my fantasies alone!!!

    And here for a while I thought I had more Adam-blood in me than the rest of you. [​IMG]

    Come to think of it, that might not be such a good thing. :eek:
     
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    Sorry, Bro. James. We all know that you're more Adamic (or is that adamant?) than the rest of us ...
     
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    There are lots of inconsistencies in the Irish history, but this is the one thing that all the historians are agreed about, that the Irish are descended from Magog, so it must have been something important to them.

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    "I tried tracing my ancestry, but all records were lost in the flood..." :D

    Or the other old line..

    "I spent $10,000 researching my family tree, and spent $100,000 covering it all up again..." :D
     
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    Mike said:

    " ... but this is the one thing that all the historians are agreed about, that the Irish are descended from Magog ... "

    All historians are agreed? Surely you jest, Mike.
     
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    There are lots of inconsistencies in the Irish history, but this is the one thing that all the historians are agreed about, that the Irish are descended from Magog, so it must have been something important to them.

    Mike
    </font>[/QUOTE]Been doing a lot of research on early Irish history and have not yet come across this "fact." Can you give me a source to help in my research please?
     
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    Mike,

    I took a quick look at some of the sources that you mentioned. Some of them look more of the quality of comic books rather than real history. Let me suggest that there is a tremendous gap in the suggested ancestral lines in that there simply was no recorded history prior to about 5,000 years ago and very little since about the time of Christ. In England there is an author who has learned a great deal about ancient peoples through studies of DNA. He is Bryan Sykes and has a DNA laboratory called Oxford Ancestors. According to Dr. Sykes, at least one ancient Englishman, who lived about 10,000 years ago, has the same DNA as some modern day residents of England. Therefore there is a substantial gap of a few thousand years for which there was a population in England but for which there are no written records. I think that this casts great doubt on the claim that there is general agreement on this issue.

    The type of books that you refer to are not history books as far as I can see, and not written by established historians with the exception of Josephus who is of course a well known, if ancient, historian.
     
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    You need to take a longer look. These people wrote their history books in their own style, for their own contemporaries, and not to suit the demands of people living in the 21st century.

    Mike
     
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    Mike,

    Your claim was "all historians." I have many cources which claim contrary about the history of the Irish.
     
  16. Mike Gascoigne

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    Of course I didn't include the evolutionists and modernists.

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    So do you contend that the Irish and the Russians have a common ancestry through Magog?
     
  18. Mike Gascoigne

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    Can you tell me what you have been reading?

    I don't "contend" anything, but yes, it's very likely. However, the Russians don't all come from Magog. The Muscovites come from his brother Meshech.

    Mike
     
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    Historically, the people whe gave Russia its name were of Scandinavian origin---Vikings sailed up the Volga river and conquered the Slavic people living there...the area was renamed rus (red) for them, but they adopted the language of the local Slavs.
    Archeological evidence is strong that the Irish are descended from early Celtic people originating in central and western Europe. While both Scandinavian and Slavic peoples may be thought of as from the north, the Irish aren't.
     
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    That's right, the Celts and Scythians are often found together and it's not always easy to distinguish between them.

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