Train up a child

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Earth Wind and Fire, May 4, 2015.

  1. Earth Wind and Fire

    Earth Wind and Fire
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2010
    Messages:
    18,970
    Likes Received:
    97
    took this directly from a friend & brother, one "Martin Marprelate" from the UK who posts on this and other boards & has his own ministry. Martin / Steve has touched on something that I have been contemplating for some, the raising up of our children. And again, he has hit the mark.




    Proverbs 22:6. ‘Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it.’

    Matthew 19:14. ‘Let the little children come to Me…..’



    ‘Said the swallow to the sparrow,

    “I should really like to know

    Why those foolish human beings

    Rush about and worry so.”



    Said the sparrow to the swallow,

    “Well I think that it must be

    That they have no Heavenly Father

    Such as cares for you and me.”’


    This Thursday, the police raided a house that has been in foreclosure for a while now...that house was being used by our local youth to shoot heroin.....you get my point. But how much of this Proverbs 22:6 teaching been lost on these kids parents....indeed on my own son who lives with his girlfriend. Did we not raise him up properly? We went to church, put him through SS, but we were poor examples, have lived together without being married in our own youths....I solice (sic) myself that he isn't a homosexual but he is also repeating my same mistakes. What does a parent do at this stage?
     
    #1 Earth Wind and Fire, May 4, 2015
    Last edited by a moderator: May 4, 2015
  2. Darrell C

    Darrell C
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2010
    Messages:
    6,249
    Likes Received:
    118
    Understand the intent of the teaching: when he is "old" that training will be remembered.

    Understand that the natural condition of man is bent on sin, and sometimes the Lord Himself trains through withdrawing. This was true of the Prodigal Son, it may be true of your own Son.

    And keep in mind that you are yourself older, and probably have regrets in the training of your child, the point being...you yourself were still in the process of being trained while you were still training yourself.

    Children raised up in Christian homes understand clearly the standard set by Christ and Scripture. The parent is going to fail to meet that standard, I don't care who they are. This will be, I believe, one of the primary reasons many who grow up in "Church" or in Christian homes will walk away when they get to the age they make their own decisions.

    However, there is hope built into that teaching, and we rely on God to fulfill His Word.

    There is a saying, "When I was a child I thought my dad was the smartest man in the world; when I was a teenager I thought my dad was the dumbest man in the world; but now that I am older and have kids of my own...I see dad was as dumb as once thought."

    Keeping that standard is getting easier for you now, my friend, now that you understand God and yourself better. Parenting while in the growth process may not be perfect, but I am sure along the way the seeds planted by your hand will be watered.

    While we know that there will be those that ultimately reject the Lord, that does not negate the efforts that have gone before, nor the efforts yet in the future. It may be understanding will not be had by your son until he himself begins raising children, then, after walking in the shoes you once filled in his life, he may understand things better.


    God bless.
     
  3. Thousand Hills

    Thousand Hills
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2010
    Messages:
    1,488
    Likes Received:
    4
    EWF, the church has gotten off track and have taken from the parents the responsibility of nurturing children and pointing them to Christ. I like these excerpts from Paul Washer's 10 Indictments sermon:


     
  4. Thousand Hills

    Thousand Hills
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2010
    Messages:
    1,488
    Likes Received:
    4
    Churches should be equipping parents to be the ones guiding children in their faith, this is the only way for true generational impact. Unfortunately, most parents don't care. Statistics show that what 80% of kids are leaving the church after high school? Parents will invest time and money in activities such as t-ball, little league, soccer, etc. But won't invest time in teaching their children about Christ in the home through routine family worship. Statistics show that 1% of high school baseball players actually make it to the major leagues. Nothing wrong with sports, activities, to make a child well rounded, but when time and money is spent on these things instead of preparing a child for their entire life ahead of them through helping them shape a biblical world view, then things are really upside down.

    I have not read this, but plan too. Saw some quotes from it yesterday and looks to be interesting. This is the kind of stuff that our country was built upon, the principles and practices. Yet we've gotten away from that and wan't to complain, but think there is nothing wrong with how we do church!

    http://www.sowersseedreprints.com/uploads/A_Family_Well_Ordered_-_Cotton_Mather.pdf

    As for your son, you can't change the past, but you can still lovingly point him to Christ as you and your wife are being renewed day by day by God's grace. And in the event you have grandchildren you can apply new practices with them.

    I know a family with a daughter that had multiple children out of wedlock my multiple men, those children were raised by their grandparents. The situation should have been a wake up call to the grandparents and those in the church that they attend. These children are now at the age where they are doing the same things their mother did. God gave these grandparents a second chance at making an impact for future generations, did they change their course?
     
    #4 Thousand Hills, May 4, 2015
    Last edited by a moderator: May 4, 2015
  5. Earth Wind and Fire

    Earth Wind and Fire
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2010
    Messages:
    18,970
    Likes Received:
    97
    TH....Washer is right. But at the time of my own sons spiritual instruction, I was not a Christian....not really so I was in need of the HS as is my son today.

    BTW....Have you seen how Primitive Baptists raise up their kids? 1st, there is no Sunday School, rather the pastor is the teaching elder and everyone (including the kids are supposed to sit through the sermon. And if any clarification is needed,it's given to the father to teach the family. I like that....it sets the order to teach square on the shoulders of the father.
     
  6. Deacon

    Deacon
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2002
    Messages:
    6,974
    Likes Received:
    129
    Proverbs are wisdom literature and not meant to be interpreted as promises.

    Too many parents put the blame on themselves and feel personal guilt for the sin of a wayward youth.

    Rob
     
  7. Earth Wind and Fire

    Earth Wind and Fire
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2010
    Messages:
    18,970
    Likes Received:
    97
    As a Doctrines of Grace believer, it would have been downright impossible for me to have been even able to have instructed my son to the ways of the Word without ever having been born anew. In fact I was an enemy of God. But I did not stop my wife from taking the kid to church. BUT I DID NOT LIVE A VIRTUIOUS LIFE....not at that time. I didn't hold our dear lord Jesus Christ above all things....and the kid saw that. And that is what made him...that's what gave him the inpression that Christians were rank hypocrites. Perhaps it would have been better if I had not taken to church ....he was looking at me and I failed the test of a loving Christian.
     
  8. HankD

    HankD
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2001
    Messages:
    15,181
    Likes Received:
    326
    Clue : We ALL fail the test.

    HankD
     
  9. Thousand Hills

    Thousand Hills
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2010
    Messages:
    1,488
    Likes Received:
    4
    Keep pouring your heart out to the Lord about your burden, continue to seek wise council and wisdom from the scriptures on how best to fulfill your responsibility to your son at this stage in his life.

    I like that bout the PB's. Kids can pick up a lot when sitting through a whole service, kids should be challenged more. Parents expect kids to throw a perfect fast ball, ace their SAT to get a scholarship, shine in a band or dance rehearsal, but fail to instruct them properly, and think they can't handle concepts like justification, santification, etc. We love to teach kids about Noah and the arky, arky and focus on all of the animals, or Jonah and the whale, but fail to emphasize God's wrath/judgement, his sovereingty, etc. Which is what these stories are really all about.

    My child is still young, I cannot stand before God and claim ignorance of my responsibilities, and I do not want to stand before him as someone who was apathetic regarding these instructions.
     
  10. Earth Wind and Fire

    Earth Wind and Fire
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2010
    Messages:
    18,970
    Likes Received:
    97
    All save one!
     
  11. HankD

    HankD
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2001
    Messages:
    15,181
    Likes Received:
    326
    Absolutely,of course!

    HankD
     

Share This Page

Loading...