Tribulation

Grashopper: Prophecynut, "Are you related to ED?"

Not in a physical sense but only in a spiritual sense.

I will no longer be posting in this topic.
If you wish me to read what you post go here:
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/28/2930.html#000005
I will be discussing in that topic as i have time.

 

Grasshopper

I'm dead serious, very certain that America is modern Babylon. Those arrows are missiles! In 50:9 the "arrows will be like skilled warriors who do not return empty-handed." These arrows are skilled in reaching their targets by the guidance system in the 'head' of the missles.

 

Mr Ed Edwards... you really know your bible...

I am so blessed with people like you...

Glory to God...

For Mr DPT... Am very sorry, You really have to do some research on your eschatology... but even so, May God bless you too...

 

November_echo,

None mentioned on 'a thousand years' find anywhere in the Old Testament speaking of Messiah shall reign on earth in Jerusalem.

All 40 apostles of O.T. & N.T. books, never teaching that Christ shall reign in Jerusalem(old modern city) on the earth for a thousand years after his coming.

None of the context in Isaiah chapter 65 and 66 mentioned 'a thousand years', you know that.

Christ teaches us, both believers and unbelievers are growing together over the world till the end of the world, then when Christ shall come with his angels to gathering all unblievers by separate them from the believers, and cast them into the everlasting fire in Matthew chapter 13, also in Matthew 25:31-46 too.

I still promise, I will post discuss on Revelation chapter 20 on Tuesday or Wednesday, when I have time.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

Correct, instead He will reign OVER earth from heaven along with redeemed saints from the OT, Church and Trib saints.

 

DeafPosttrib (elsewhere): "None mentioned on 'a thousand years'
find anywhere in the Old Testament speaking of Messiah
shall reign on earth in Jerusalem."

This statement is addressed in another forum at:

http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/28/2930.html#000012

I will not be responding in this
forum anymore (sorry, the non-Baptists
are just better to me than the Baptists

 

Oh brother, and to think many Baptist churches probably teach this garbage. You insist on literalism then switch to arrows=missles.

How many prophets did America kill?

 

Rule of interpretation.

First seek a literal meaning.

If a literal interpretation doesn't make sense then search for a literal meaning of the symbolic

Arrows cannot be skilled in what they do unless they have a guidance system built in them.
Jeremiah would not of known what missiles were.
He would of associated them with arrows of his day.

Here's another verse
Jer. 51:27 ".....Appoint a commander against her; send up horses like a swarm of locusts." NIV

Interpreting sending up horses as literal doesn't make sense so we interpret this symbolically of something literal.

Horses were use to transport the warrior in Jeremiah's day.

You have so many horses under the hood of your vehicle.

Horses in V. 27 are symbolic of the jet engines that transport the bombs (warriors) to their target.

Missiles are viewed from the ground at a distance and would look like a swarm of locust.

 

Amen, Brother Prophecynut -- Preach it!

Sure beats the principle of mystifing
(or spiritualizing) everything, even
that which is obviously literal.

 

One of the Hermenetic Rules, that I do not agree: Intepreting in Literally.

Many dispensationalists/Pretribs emphasis or press that we should always to intepreting verses into literally all the time.

Let you know, I do NOT deny literal things in many areas in the Bible. Depend on what the grammar or sentence is talking about. Not every verses are always literal. There are many spiritual meanings use for illustrations, characters, purposes, applies, etc.

When we intepreting the scriptures, we have to be balance with spiritual and literal depend on what the grammar or sentance talking about.

Some Christians intepreting verses apply to today's technology things. Maybe they are right.

Bible prophecies not able to indentify today's technology stuffs like airplane, computer, missile, gun, etc. So, prophets use symbols and figures of the things what these are looking like in the last days.

For example - Rev. 13:10 - 'sword', John, the Beloved saw the vision of verse 10, but he was not able to describe today's technology weapon, so, he used word, 'sword' for the weapon purpose. I am sure, no doubt, John saw gun in the vision.

We are not alone, throughout many Centuries ago, many Christians do not understand everything in the Bible on the spiritual things or symbolic things. Also, their intepreting of scriptures are much different than our present interpreting. Why? Because of the technology have been changing so lot. That why, the prophets seem have difficult to explaining future technology stuffs. Dan. 12:4 is a perfect example of today's technology have been changing lot.

Of course, we have to be careful what we reading and interpreting scriptures, because we are all humans, our understanding are limited, God's knowledge is more beyond ahead us. But, when we get into heaven, then we shall understand everything.

But, 2 Tim. 2:15 commands us, that we must study the Bible serious like as workman. Being study the Bible is not easy. We never be satisfy with study the Bible till we died or Christ comes.

We are aware that many Christians have different views on their own interpretings. But, the most important basic of fundamental Bible doctrines what we believe: Christ is the deity of God; Three persons in one God(trinity); Fall of men; real places - heaven & hell; Christ died on the cross for our sins; the resurrection of Christ -literal; Christ shall come again; We all shall face the judgement day; Looking forward for new heavens and the new earth.

I believe there is common belief among all Christians(baptists) agree upon the basic fundamental of Bible doctrine.

Earlier, I agree with Ed Edwards told us the basic fundamental doctrines that we believe.

Later this week, I will discuss more about Eschatology doctrine when I am off from work.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

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Nut

Mr Ed

Then why don't both of you take your own advice. Is 13 is speaking of Babylon and her destruction by the Medes. This was a historical event(that means it literally happened) using the warfare described by Jeremiah.

Nut and Ed's Rule of interpretation.
First seek a literal meaning.

Why are you still here?

 

Grasshopper

Ancient Babylon was never completely destroyed by the Medes. History confirms this fact.

Jer. 50:40 NIV
"As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah along with their neighboring towns."

51:8
Babylon will suddenly fall and be broken."

51:42-43
"The sea will rise over Babylon (the city); its roaring waves will cover her. Her towns will be desolate.

Rev. 18:8
"Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her..."

18:17
"In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin!"

These prophecies have never been fulfilled, they will be in the day of the Lord.

 

Even your hero Scofield disagrees with you: Commenting on Is. 13

They predict the destruction of the literal Babylon then existing; with the further statement that, once destroyed, Babylon should never be rebuilt (cf) Jeremiah 51:61-64. All of this has been literally fulfilled.

If America is Babylon who are the Medes?

 

Medes = Iran

www.jewishworldreview.com/0804/memri_iran_attack.php3

 

Wonderful, now we interpret the bible through on-line Jewish magazines.

Rev 17: 5 and upon her forehead a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF THE HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

This describes America?

Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I wondered with a great wonder.

Rev18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all that have been slain upon the earth.

I noticed you didn't answer the question of how many prophets America has killed. Is it possible that Jesus might have been referring to the Jews? I know its a stretch but:

Matt 23: 30 and say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we should not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye witness to yourselves, that ye are sons of them that slew the prophets. 32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye offspring of vipers, how shall ye escape the judgment of hell?
34 Therefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: some of them shall ye kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city: 35 that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of Abel the righteous unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.


Rev 18: 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come forth, my people, out of her, that ye have no fellowship with her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues:5 for her sins have reached even unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

So the plagues fall on America, not on the entire earth? What sins is John referring to here?

You are more humorous than Van Impe.

 

Unbelievable! I give up.

 

Islam has killed more prophets and saints than Judaism, and continues killing millions to this very day, all over the world, technically. The False Prophet is probably Muhammed. The great whore is Babylon. I look for the UN to eventually move their headquarters to Baghdad or close to place of ancient Babylon one of these days. Or, maybe even Jerusalem.

 

So now Iraq is Babylon, who are the Medes in your view LE? I look forward to you and prophecynut sorting all this out.

By the way, I haven't ran into a prophet lately. Care to mention any names?