Trinity/Oneness?

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  1. MEE

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    I would like your opinion!

    Since this is a Trinitarian board, do you feel that if a person is baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, instead of the formula "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, that they will make heaven?

    There is a lot to explain, as to why I'm asking this question, but how do you all feel?

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  2. Don

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    "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" is not a "formula"; it's Christ's own words (Matthew 28:19).

    You need to watch your terminology, because if you say that baptizing this way is wrong, you're contradicting Jesus Himself.

    Yes.
     
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    Yes. </font>[/QUOTE]Don, I didn't mean to offend anyone. I was just asking a question. [​IMG]

    I know what Jesus said in Matthew 28:19, but I also know that water baptism was 'always' done in the name of Jesus Christ, in the Bible. The switch, using the titles Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, was made by the Catholic Church later.

    I was just curious, for reasons that I don't need to go into, on this board. It is just a question if anyone else would like to answer.

    Thanks in advance,
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    Do you believe that baptising in any form gets you to heaven?

    Scriptures say it is FAITH alone, FAITH plus NOTHING that gets you to heaven. Nothing includes baptism, (in any form).
     
  5. Don

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    Wesley, thank you for pointing out my error. I focused on the "baptizing in the name of" and overlooked the errant part of MEE's post.

    Thus, my (final) answer is, it doesn't matter what name you're baptized in. Baptism doesn't get you to Heaven.
     
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    Well, I suppose this question should have been asked eslewhere.

    I forgot about the fact that Baptists don't believe in water baptism.

    BTW, how did you all get the name "Baptists?"

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    From the fact that we don't support infant baptism, and stated baptism (as an act of obedience) comes after an individual actually gets saved. Ana-baptists, or re-baptizers, were some of the initial ones. Came into full force around the 1600's or so when the Baptists really jumped into the scene (although it's hard to actually trace roots from today's Baptists back to the re-baptizers of the early church, baptists have been around in one form or another since the beginning).

    Baptists believe in water baptism as an act of obedience, since Christ Himself commanded it; but it's explained very clearly by Paul in Romans 6 that baptism puts us in the likeness of Christ's death, burial, and resurrection; and also in 1 Peter 3 where Peter tells us that baptism doesn't clean us, but puts on a good conscience toward God.
     
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    Don, since this is already off topic, what do you mean by "re-baptizers?"

    BTW, I don't support infant baptism either. (A baby can't repent!) ;)

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    "Ana" is a prefix which means "again." Thus the Anabaptists were those that baptized again. Re-baptizers is simply a synonym meaning the same thing. Baptists of today trace their heritage back to the Anabaptists. They were accused of baptizing again, for all most all of them were either Anglican or Catholic who were baptized as infants. When they got saved they were baptized by immersion after they were saved in obedience to the command of Christ. The name "anabaptist" was a name originally given by their enemies (Catholics, etc.) in derision. Today we count it as a name of honor. They were a people who were willing to die for their convictions.
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  10. Yelsew

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    Well, I suppose this question should have been asked eslewhere.

    I forgot about the fact that Baptists don't believe in water baptism.

    BTW, how did you all get the name "Baptists?"

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    </font>[/QUOTE]MEE, Baptists do believe in baptism, just not that baptism has any salvific powers as you seem to think.

    Baptists believe the scriptures that tell us it is FAITH ALONE that saves us. There is nothing else required for the salvation of man, except that man believe in God.

    Jesus said, John 3:18, (paraphrase) believe and live, not believe and die. Believing causes faith, faith is sustained belief.

    Jesus atoned for the sins of the world. Atoned means, paid the penalty for, thus removing sin from consideration in judgement.

    Many scriptures tell us that nothing that man can do is good enough to please God. Therefore, works are not a factor in judgment.

    So that leaves the only possibility for salvation of man as man's faith in God. Those who have faith are saved, those who do not have faith are judged and cast into the lake of fire.

    Please notice that scriptures do not, repeat, do not say that in order to pass from death unto life man must be baptised. The do say that by believing man passes from death unto life.

    If you are relying on your baptism to save you, MEE, Please take this as an advisement that the bridge ahead has fallen and there is no way to get there from hear. There is no scriptural support for baptism being the Key to heaven.
     
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    What does repenting have to do with baptism? The scriptures say to repent, and to be baptised. Those are separate issues!
     
  12. Don

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    Because, in a nutshell, MEE (along with other Oneness Pentecostals) believes that in addition to having faith, you must repent, and you must be baptized, and you pretty much must speak in tongues to show that you've been filled with the Holy Spirit.
     
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    What does repenting have to do with baptism? The scriptures say to repent, and to be baptised. Those are separate issues! </font>[/QUOTE]Baptism arising out of a conscious decision to obey Christ perhaps? A baby, not being able to make decisions, thus cannot be truely baptised.

    Repentance precedes the decision to and the act of undergoing baptism. Hence though separate, the 2 are linked.
     
  14. MEE

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    Yes Don, that is correct. It goes along with what the New Testament requires us to do, to be in the Bride.

    Everyone knows that *The Church* was born on the Day of Pentecost. Peter told the Jews what to, after they asked: Acts 2:37)....Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter told them what was required.

    Acts 2:38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    Don, why should I believe anything else? :confused:

    Acts 2:39) For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

    You have to agree...He is still calling!

    As I said before, we are off topic. I just wanted some opinions, about water baptism in the *name* of Jesus Christ, as to whether it would be accepted in your churches? That's all!

    Thanks for everyone's opinions. [​IMG]

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    What does repenting have to do with baptism? The scriptures say to repent, and to be baptised. Those are separate issues! </font>[/QUOTE]Baptism arising out of a conscious decision to obey Christ perhaps? A baby, not being able to make decisions, thus cannot be truely baptised.

    Repentance precedes the decision to and the act of undergoing baptism. Hence though separate, the 2 are linked.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Cinnathamby, thanks, I couldn't have said it any better. [​IMG]

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  16. Don

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    MEE, something for you to think about:

    Peter said in Acts 2, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    Jesus said in Matthew 28, Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost....

    Are these two equal?
     
  17. MEE

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    Well Don, Matt. 28:19 was the commandment, but Acts 2:38 was the explanation of what Jesus said in Matthew.

    Jesus said "in the NAME of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost." It's just a matter of understanding.

    Peter, in Acts 2:38, knew what that name was and how Jesus meant for it to be used.

    Acts 4:12) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

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