True ifb

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  1. desertjim

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    Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
    (KJV)

    I am posting this to all who might be on this forum who are truly IFB people, if there be any.

    I honestly don't have any clue what the folks on this forum really represent, but I know the ones I have read do not represent most IFB churches.

    It's easy to understand what the IFB believe and represent. Just go read their statements of faith all over the place. Then read what is mostly posted here and compare!!

    This is probably a RELIGIOUS group, but you probably won't find much Christian LOVE represented on here.

    So, my advice to you who truly are IFBs, get off here and shake their dirt off your feet as you go.

    I'm afraid I don't know WHERE you should go, but this certainly isn't where you should be. The name of the list is deceiving, but it ties right in with the verse I quoted at the start.

    For those of you who are SINCERE, the IFB folks stand is pretty well cut and dried where teaching is concerned.

    We reject and separate from NEW EVANGELICALISM, ECUMENISM, FALSE TEACHERS (any person or group which teaches something other than what can be found in the New Testament) and, of course from the WORLD. We believe the Bible is wholly true and that it is our total basis for faith and practice.

    Those who don't accept the above are NOT IFB. They may call themselves IFBs, but it is a FALSE claim. One can call oneself anything they want, but the truth will come out as soon as they open their mouth or keyboard. All you have to do is KNOW the truth and sit back and absorb what is being said.

    What are YOU...............really?

    However, if some Godly man will show that there is a difference between FUNDAMENTAL BAPTISTS and INDEPENDENT FUNDAMENTAL BAPTISTS, that would be a different matter. However, since ALL Baptists are INDEPENDENT, that would be hard to explain!

    I truly believe the name of this group is totally misleading and it should be changed............or.............false teachers, according to the name, should be excluded.

    As I posted yesterday or the day before, who would you expect to be on a forum entitled: "PROFESSIONAL PLUMBERS FORUM"? Certainly not "AMATEUR PHOTOGRAPHERS".
     
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  2. Salty

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    Here is the 64,000 question:

    WHO determines what FUNDAMENTAL BAPTISTS beleive?
     
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    DJ....Who else could it be?!!? :tongue3:

    That 64K that I won....Is that 64KJVs? :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    I believe in the fundamental doctrines and that is the technical definition of fundamentalism...
    But a lot of the things, outside of the give fundamental doctrines, I typically hear from the IFB movement I tend to disagree agree with, so I guess I'm not IFB anymore. I don't consider myself to be, anyway, although I was raised in an IFB church.

    But yeah, this forum can get really...eh...rough? Sometimes. Another Christian forum I know wouldn't tolerate some of the debates here, or rather not the spirit in which the debates are conducted. But eh, different forums have different ways of handling things. None of my beeswax what the staff decide is allowable.

    In any case? Do what God leads you to do. :)
     
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    Name of this section of the forum is Fundamental Baptist Forum, NOT Independent Fundamental Baptist Forum.

    You mean like when people come in here and post that there are ungodly people here that have perverted the grace of Jesus and deny that he is Sovereign God? That kind of Christian love?
     
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    and can you be a fundamental without being a Baptist?
     
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    My own experiences with IFB's are not good. Of course Ive had some real knock down drag outs with Calvinists....yet there are many Calvies I truly love. Ive not warmed up to IFB Types however. Forgive me, but I see them as legalistic & Pharisaic....focusing on what I consider non issues (i wont list them as they are well recorded).

    Is this what you truly ally yourself to? If so, alright but with all do respect, I dont see that encampment here.....well maybe a few, but ......:wavey:
     
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    I think so. Seems to me you can hold to the five fundamental doctrines without being baptist.
     
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    OK. Show us who and how exactly anyone on here has done the above on BB.

    What is a 'true' IFB? Everyone who believes everything you believe? Elaborate. You broad brush so much and take for granted that everyone must be like you to be 'true'.

    Thank God many do not represent SOME IFB's.

    Sure. Since this is so easy, elaborate and tell us what you mean.

    I'll pass because most on here would agree to a general statement of faith on many IFB sites. As they say 'the devil is in the details' and you give no details, just a broad dismissal of many others based upon nothing but whatever is in your own mind. I'm of the opinion you just want to be divisive, and THAT you truly cannot flesh out in detail what you have problems with specifically. Many IFB's do this, broad brush everyone, condemn many, but offer no details as to why.

    You mean like the love you've displayed? I take it your definition of 'love' means condemning others who don't believe in your veiled definition of what it means to be a 'true' IFB.

    You've to date offered nothing 'cut and dried'. You've offered nothing but generalized and baseless rebuke. :love2:

    'We' who? On the BB we also, for the most part, wholly believe the Bible as well. What is your bone of contention and where is evidence we don't believe the whole Bible, and also provide evidence 'we' are ecumenical, evangelical, false teacher, or be prepared to accept that the glaring fact is that you've learned a few big words and know nothing on what they mean.

    Those who don't accept the above what exactly? You've given nothing but denigrating remarks with no substance.

    A born again Christian.

    And you've explained nothing to date, and several have called you on it. Me thinks you cannot explain much, but can condemn much without reason. IS that 'true IFB'?

    I truly believe the name of this group is totally misleading and it should be changed............or.............false teachers, according to the name, should be excluded.

    Your post was a shotgun approach, shooting at will, but not knowing why.

    Congrats!!!

    :wavey: :thumbs:
     
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    Use a large caliber rifle when you are shooting at a specific target.

    Use a shotgun when you want to hit a lot of targets.

    Worked, didn't it!
     
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    Shouldn't that be a ? Mark rather than a ! Point?


    Besides, PFT is already telling you what you already know. His commentary is better absorbed by the silent observer's.
     
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    Not having the insight so proudly exhibited by you, I can't say for sure, but this particular post by you just screams "I'm sure having a lot of success with my trolling today."

    Seems I've seen you before in the political section under another name, YES? Here your spin is extreme generalities concerning IFBers while the other was/is proudly proclaiming how disinterested you are about the differences between the Rs & Ds.

    In both cases your main thrust is, whether intended or not (????), is to assert your superiority over others by your complete dedication to "being true" to whatever you deem relavent at the time.

    As I said, this post by you was, I think, a Freudian slip that came out of your mind because it seemed so sharp, but didn't realize how it showed your true colors.

    It must be a pity to be so hungry for attention that this is the way you have to get it. I truly feel sorry for you! :praying:
     
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    Thank you. If you know the Lord, please pray for me :praying:.
     
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    Out of curiosity, what do you consider to be true IFB?
    My parents were IFB, I used to be, and I'm not even completely sure how one would define IFB other than some general ideas regarding being more restrictive about some things (music, clothes, TV, etc) and a general embracing of fundamental doctrine and a literal view of the Bible (although this one is definitely not exclusive to the IFB), and perhaps the idea of not associating with other denominations. I'd mention KJO, but apparently not all IFBs are KJO, although all of the IFB churches I can remember seeing were.
     
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    The church I serve has historically been conservative, biblically and otherwise. Back in the l970s, we went through what I call our "fundamentalist" period, marked by the following:

    Fundamentalists don't smoke, drink or chew or go with girls who do.

    We frowned on long hair on men and short dresses on women. Dresses at the knees or above were too short. Hair below the collar was too long for men. Above the collar? Okay.

    As far as I remember, bobbed hair on women was not frowned upon. Don't know why not.

    Rock music was bad. Some country music was questionable, but the rest okay.

    Makeup on women was, for some reason, not a problem.

    Sunday morning attendance was good, but you were extra-spiritual if you came back on Sunday night, and super-spiritual if you showed up for Wednesday prayer meeting.

    Yep, we're Southern Baptist.
     
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    Yes, I invite all who think the way this man thinks to leave. You do not belong here as this man has rightfully posted. This is no place for you.

    In fact, there IS no place for you. I hope you will not only leave this site but the country as well. I think you would be so much happier on an island where all the weird, backwater ideals that you all champion can be held without controversy. You ought to start an IFB monastery of some sort and TRULY separate from "the world."

    The world would be happy to see you go and so would all biblical Christians.

    God bless and farewell.

    And thank you for leaving our dust here with us. Go get your own.
     
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    Rather harsh, don't you think...?
    IFBs have as much right to be here as anybody else.
     
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    No, I don't think so. He himself said they have no business here. I am just agreeing with him.

    and this is not about RIGHTS- its about what would make everybody happier. They can stay if they want. I can wish that they would go. We both have those RIGHTS.

    But they would be happier if they could get off on some island somewhere and have their little weird ideals without controversy. Then they could all pretend its the 1920's again and they'd all be so much happier. And we would all be happier without them.

    So, yes, they have a right to stay, but everybody would be happier if they'd go.
     
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    Reminds me of the story where two men were shipwrecked on an island. 2 years later they were rescued. The Captian of the boat noticed 3 huts. He asked why 3. The first man said the hut in the middle was their residence, and the one on the left was the First Baptist Church. Then the second man said "Oh, we had a split in the church last year, so I started the Second Baptist Church.
     
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    Two pages thus far of fault finding, and finding fault with the fault finders. Legalists finding fault with liberalism, and liberals finding fault with legalists.

    The church used to have vigilance committees where standards were set forth, and violators were held accountable.
    Now they are seen as know-it-all busy-bodies holding provincial views, with a lack of love in their hearts.

    1) Are we to compare ourselves with others or with Christ?

    2) Are we to tear down or build up?
     
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