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Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by InTheLight, Jul 27, 2016.

  1. InTheLight

    InTheLight Well-Known Member
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    Barack Obama-- 9 years
    Joe Biden
    Jeb Bush--34 years
    Hillary Clinton
    Marco Rubio
    John Kasich--7 years

    http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/Web/PresidentialTaxReturns/

    You are woefully ignorant of tax laws, especially the veil between personal and corporate taxes. In fact, you've given me an idea--perhaps Trump doesn't want to release his taxes because he's abusing the separation of corporate and personal taxes? Interesting.

    No need to discuss this further with you, unless you get educated.
     
  2. Crabtownboy

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    Many have. The list is too long for one reply .. so here is the !st. The 2nd follows.


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    President Barack H. Obama
    2000 | 2001 | 2002 | 2003 | 2004 | 2005 |2006 | 2007 | 2008 | 2009 | 2010 | 2011 |2012 | 2013 | 2014 | 2015
    The President and the First Lady have released their2013 federal income tax returns, as well as state income tax return for Illinois.

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    Vice President Joseph R. Biden, Jr.
    1998 | 1999 | 2000 | 2001 | 2002 | 2003 |2004 | 2005 | 2006 | 2007 | 2008 | 2009 |2010 | 2011 | 2012 | 2013 | 2014 | 2015
    The Vice President and Dr. Jill Biden have also released their 2013 federal income tax returns, as well as state income tax returns for both Delaware and Virginia.


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    Richard Cheney
    2000 | 2001 | 2002 | 2003 | 2004 | 2005 |2006 | 2007
    Note: For tax year 2001, both President Bush and Vice President Cheney released partial returns. For tax year 2000, Bush released only his Form 1040; Cheney provided a summary of his taxes, but released no forms.

    © Tax Analysts (2016)
     
  3. Crabtownboy

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    No. 2:

    If you want to see more go to: http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/web/presidentialtaxreturns


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  4. Salty

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    You are absolutely correct under current protocol.

    If I was running for POTUS here is what I would say.
    I will have a committee of two R's, two D's and two minor party members. (ie -1- Green, 1 -Constitution)
    They would do an audit of my tax return -
    BUT they would have to sign a non-discloser form - nothing would be permitted to be release
    UNLESS there is false info on my tax return.
    BTW, the Party members would be allowed to name the individuals to serve on the committee.
    (if the Party wants to pay them an allowance - that would be up to them)
     
  5. church mouse guy

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    Actually, I agree with the know-nothings on this one--it is time to do away with the releasing of tax information and medical information. In the words of the most qualified person to ever run for President, what difference does it make?
     
  6. Smyth

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    So, your evidence shows that almost no one released tax returns before elected, let alone 10 years prior of tax returns?

    Obama was already a state senator before we see his first return, and would have been happy to show that his income is little above his [comfortable] publicly-known salary.

    Bill Clinton, even though spent years as a state governor, his first return wasn't released until after he was elected president, going by the website you provided.

    George W Bush didn't release one prior to winning the presidency.

    George Bush 1 didn't release one one until a decade after started being vp and, two years after winning the presidency.

    And, still, their tax returns shows almost nothing about their wealth.
     
  7. Smyth

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    Funny, I'm thinking you need to get educated. Crabtownboy has already posted tax return information showing it's uncommon for politicians to share tax returns before being elected.
     
  8. Smyth

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    Trumps advantage is that he's far, far better than Hillary, not that he's a good man. There's no righteousness in letting the greater evil prevail out of unwillingness to compromise -- and those who are unwilling to comprise can add hypocrisy to their list of sins, if they've voted for the previous evils the GOP had ran for president.
     
  9. InTheLight

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    I posted a list of presidential candidates that have released 10 years of their tax returns BEFORE they were elected. Here it is again:

    Barack Obama-- 9 years
    Joe Biden
    Jeb Bush--34 years
    Hillary Clinton
    Marco Rubio
    John Kasich--7 years

    When I say you need to get educated I meant regarding taxes and tax returns, business vs. personal (among other things.)
     
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    I agree, Smyth, that the Clintons are liars and thieves and I also think Trump's best strategy is to stay on message and emphasized the depravity of the Clintons.
     
  11. InTheLight

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    Ah yes, the "But....but.....but....Hillary" argument. Followed closely by the SCOTUS judges appointment argument. That's your argument in a nutshell. VOTE AGAINST HILLARY. That's all ya got.

    OK, I got it. Don't learn from your past mistakes, just keep on compromising. And Romney and McCain were far, far better candidates than Trump. Flawed, but still better.
     
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    The refusal of RATs to vote for Trump has nothing to do with learning from past mistakes. RATs won't vote for Trump because their owners tell them that Trump is dangerous, too dangerous. It's because of the RATs that we had Romney and McCain in the past. If they could learn anything, they'd learn to stop supporting neoconservative candidates.

    Trump is better than McCain.
     
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    There's no need. Especially with the crooked Clinton foundation selling out the country and hiding the Clinton income derived from treasonous activities and the selling of political influence.
     
  14. InTheLight

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    Old paradigm: Boehner, McConnell, Ryan, McCain, Romney are RINOS, not conservative enough.
    New paradigm: Conservatism has nothing to do with it. Trump is not Hillary. Good enough.
     
  15. Smyth

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    They didn't release tax returns until after they were holding public office, sometimes not even before they were president. So, stop acting so desperate to trash Trump. Obama had been a state Senator before he released any tax returns, and he has less excuse than anyone not to release a tax return (given his career as a Community Organizer and politician).
     
  16. InTheLight

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    Your question:
    I answered that question.

    Now that you are losing that argument you move the goalposts to "How many politicians released their tax returns before holding office?" Well, DUH. no one. Why would a private citizen release their tax returns? Your style of arguing is pathetic.
     
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    ITL, as much as I dislike Smyth's aggressive posting style, he does have a point here. Why should the public expect a presidential candidate to release his tax records when it has never happened before? As near as I can tell, there's no precedent for it.

    Once, he's in office, then there's a precedent. But until he is, no one should be clamoring for their release.
     
  18. InTheLight

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    It has happened before, plenty of times. Look at this link for the history of the past 2 election cycles:

    http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/Web/PresidentialTaxReturns/

    Going further back, Dole released 29 years of tax records when he ran in 1996. When John Kerry ran he released 20 years worth in 2004. Bill Clinton released 12 years in 1992 when he was running. George W. Bush released 9 years worth in 2000.

    http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...presidential-candidate-has-released-most-tax/

    For the past 30 years, it's been a staple of the election cycle for the presidential candidate to release their tax records. There is plenty of precedent.

    Presidential Tax Returns.JPG


    I never suggested that Trump needed to release 10 years worth of tax returns, but 10 years worth would go a long way to figuring out his net worth.
     
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    ITL, my mistake. I took your comment above my post to mean that no other presidential candidate had released records before becoming president. I'm on my tablet, and can't do my own homework in this area.

    I do agree that releasing his tax records would give him credibility and an appearance of transparency, but I don't think it should be required.

    Sent from my QTAQZ3 using Tapatalk
     
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    Don't forget that Conservatives are actually the enemy. RINOS were content to leave us alone, but the Trump party attacks Conservatives with everything they have.
     
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