I am not a Calvinist so that everyone knows. I am not an Arminian so that everyone knows. I do believe in once saved always saved and that does not make me a Calvinist. I am a Baptist, I take serious my relationship in Christ and I love everyone and believe Christ died for all and that all can be saved, but most will not. I reject universalism, special election, infant baptism, and a bunch of other stuff and I accept the 66 books of the Bible as 100 percent God's word. So now put your theological model's boxing gloves on and let the in fighting began, metaphorically intended. Here is a starter for you Calvinist that might get your spiritual blood pressure up, maybe not so much at first but as things progress in my favor you may need to see your medical doctor or take a breather.:godisgood: Romans 11:32 is the culmination of Chapters 8, 9, 10, and 11. It completely refutes the doctrine of special election. Now that should draw some retort! If you are going pile on the bricks, :tonofbricks: check to make sure they are made of styrofoam. P. S. I welcome quotes form different men in history and recent authors but try to keep it short I hate reading long extended explanations of a doctrine, just get to the point. I have anti my view commentary listing ADD and ADHD. Now if you are a wimp and your wear theological feeling on your sleeve then perhaps you don’t need to engage this topic.