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Discussion in 'Politics' started by Dragoon68, Sep 27, 2008.
Truth Squad for Obama?
I think the idea of a truth squad is a great idea to fight back against the propaganda put out by the right-wing Republicans.
If there is any desire to use Missouri election ethics laws I think that would be silly. Any such desire for enforcement should come from the state government, not a campaign organization, in my opinion.
The last thing we need is a government "truth squad" for the political process! It should be obvious the dangers that would present even if in the name of a noble cause. Even in this news report the bias is very clear. Even in the first response it is clear. There are misunderstandings, misrepresentations, and outright lies in the political process on all sides. Everyone knows this! People should be smart enough to check things out and not believe everything they hear or read to be the absolute truth. We have to judge for ourselves using the sources we consider credible what is the truth in the claims made. We hope there are independent sources of information to use but all are subject to careful scrutiny. One key for me is that the more one candidate talks about another the less credibility should be given to what they're saying. Candidates have much more credibility when they actually explain their own positions and present their own ideas and plans. Debates, unfortunately, have gravitated away from giving meaningful information to public arguments, put downs, and cute snips. People should be mostly turned off by constant bad-mouthing of the opponent. But maybe we've come to expect it given some of the most popular television shows thrive on this agenda. Regardless, the last thing we need is to add law enforcement - particularly local sheriffs and prosecutors who are elected themselves - into the mix. No thanks! I don't trust the government that much! Think carefully what you ask for!
I still think we should hold the candidates accountable to defamation of character and liable/slander laws and the problem will fix itself. At least them the rumors and bad information will have to come from bloggers and unofficial sources instead of from the campaign's themselves.
In te end this fraud against the people who either vote or don't vote for a candidate because of these lies.
You can not rely upon the government for an equitable "truth squad" in politics. The due process could not possible be conducted in a timely manner nor without tremendous potential for bias. We need to stop looking to the government to make everything right.
We do not need "truth squads" to know this truth. Obama and his party believe that is perfectly alright to murder (abort) 4,000 innocent American babies daily, while they are defenseless in their mother's womb. I just do not understand how any Christian could support or vote for such a party. [attack on fellow posters deleted]
What? If there was a truth squad, Obama/Biden would not even be able to talk. They are just as bad about the truth as McCain/Palin.
Here's Michelle Malkin's take on it:
The Republicans are trying to destroy Obama the same way they did with Gore and Kerry through outrageousness lies. Anything that can bring the truth to the political process is good.
I say let the American people be the truth squad. It was the people who discovered Rather's wartime lie.
Never mind the constitution like freedom of speech. Oh yes, I forgot, that's not the liberal way. George Orwell 1984. Truthspeak.
I find it hard to believe the idea that some have presented in this thread that only Republicans play dirty. Oh yes, the Democrats always tell the truth about their opponents.:laugh:
But what about the laws that protect me from slander?
Funny how now it's slander, but Bush/Hitler attacks, pictures, websites, posters never raised yer eyebrow ?
Is it only liberals that deserve this protection ?
Gov Blunt's Statement
I'm not talking about what we the unofficial people say, I am talking about the ads and allegations the candidates say. Yes, I hold them to a different level because they are in contest against each other and their words are believed by voters.
Poor Obama, he can't play with the big boys. So, he wants to use the thought police to shut down the opposition. Can't people not see that this is only a foreshadow of what will happen if Obama gets elected?
There's already a means in place to handle defamation through slander or libel. If you believe you've been defamed you can take it to court.
However, be prepared to prove your case. You have to show your reputation was actually harmed. Just being insulted or offended isn't enough. The defamation has to be directed at you specifically and not a group or class to which you belong. The defamation has to have been made with the intent to harm you.
This has to be balanced against the general freedom of speech we have to say what we think about issues and people whether they like it or not or whether it's kind or mean, complementary or critical, or even true or false. Telling a lie isn't necessarily against the law - man's law of course.
I think you can see that the typical political talk - even misrepresentations or lies - wouldn't likely pass these tests. Proving some things true or false could be very difficult. We can't even agree on that on the discussion forum! Besides the case would last well beyond the political situation from which it was spawned.
Getting law enforcement involved as a "truth squad" in our political process would be a tremendous mistake and an invitation to widespread abuse, corruption, and interference in free speech.
There just shouldn't be any question about this among Americans!
The words may be believed by some voters but most people doubt most things most candidates say especially about their opponents. Let the people evaluate what's said or not said. We don't need the government to help us with this! This would not be the American way.
Politicians lying, cheating, stealing, pontificating, bloviating, prevaricating, and being self-righteous? NO!! Please say it ain't so!
How horrible! Politicians are acting like...politicians. The most dirty and nasty campaign in history was the 1800 election,, with all of the participants being Founders.