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  1. Carson Weber

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    If you choose to die in a state of mortal sin, you will go to hell forever. Jesus was a real man in history Who rose from the dead, and He is alive today, bodily. The only true church is the Catholic Church. After your death, you will be judged by Jesus--not the Buddha, Mohammed, Joseph Smith, or, for that matter, any pagan god. Using artificial means to prevent conception is a mortal sin, and is a cancer eating away at the Mystical Body of Christ in America and other western countries. Suffering can only find meaning in the suffering of Jesus. Mary was conceived without sin. Homosexual acts are an abomination before God. Abortion is the intentional killing of a human being, and is a scourge on our nation's soil. The pope is infallible when teaching about faith and morals. Right and wrong actions have a basis in absolute truth, and we can know it. We all have free will, and unless our consciences have been deadened, we know exactly when we are committing sin. We are all sinners, and we need God's divine mercy. Baptism changes our souls. Confession heals our souls. Marriage unites our souls. Holy Orders allow priests to save our souls as Other Christs. And children are a gift of God, the fruit of love in our marriages, a means to our growth in holiness, and we should always be open to having one more soul in procreative cooperation with the Father Almighty.
     
  2. Eladar

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    Is that all you really want to say? I think you've been saying that for quite some time now!!! [​IMG]
     
  3. Carson Weber

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    It was true yesterday and it will remain true tomorrow. The truth hasn't changed. ;)
     
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    1. The only true church is the Catholic Church.

    2. After your death, you will be judged by Jesus--

    3. Using artificial means to prevent conception is a mortal sin, and is a cancer eating away at the Mystical Body of Christ in America and other western countries.

    4. Mary was conceived without sin.

    5. The pope is infallible when teaching about faith and morals.

    6. Holy Orders allow priests to save our souls as Other Christs.

    I disagree with all of the above statements. Just thought I'd let you know. [​IMG]
    Gina
     
  5. Singer

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    And the moon is made up of green cheese. Santa comes once a year and the pig's
    hind quarters are pork. The price of eggs is not worth the wear and tear on the chicken
    and Hank Williams wailed the blues. Cadillacs are overpriced Chevrolets and Saturn is
    surrounded by gas. The easter bunny lays blue eggs and the cow jumped over the moon,
    and the little dog laughed to see such a sport and the dish ran away with Carson's mind.

    But there's hope for us awful protestors of the Reformation:

    It goes like this:

    Romans 10:9
    That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt
    believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou
    shalt be saved.


    I, Singer, hereby confess with my mouth the Lord Jesus and believe
    in my heart that God has raised Him from the dead. I accept your promise,
    Lord, that I am saved according to your word and I leave my soul in your
    care...Thank you Jesus...Thank you God. Amen and Amen !!!!!
    [​IMG]
     
  6. Eladar

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    I don't know how any body that has such a problem with sodomites can make such a claim.

    I don't know how anyone who reads Hebrews where it says that Jesus is our only high priest can make such a claim. Jesus is our only priest.
     
  7. Singer

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    Shame on you Gina, Carson might cry.....or CC and the Pacman may attack
    you in your sleep.

    Ready or not .........here they come !!!!
     
  8. Singer

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    You gonna stir up a can of worms here, Carson.

    Hey, I asked Jeeeeeesussssssss for His Holy Spirit and He gave it to me.


    Romans 8:11
    But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you,
    he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies
    by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.


    And how do I know He gave it to me....? Cuz I asked [​IMG]

    Here's the promise:

    Luke 11:11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will
    he give him a stone?
    11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto
    your children: how much more shall [your] heavenly Father give the Holy
    Spirit to them that ask him?


    *** Now watch the Catholic Machine attempt to destroy this act done in faith !!
     
  9. Carson Weber

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    Hey, I didn't say y'all would like the truth, did I? ;)
     
  10. Singer

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    Tuor, how dare you say that we as Christians aren't priests.

    Oh goody; I'm a priest. I hereby then forgive you, Carson for making
    wrongful statements in this post that might cause one of God's children to stumble.
     
  11. BobRyan

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    Many thanks to Carson for placing truth and error altogether like that - and showing us what he really believes - Bible or not.

    Now lets turn that fine mix of truth and error - into truth.

    All are born in sin - all are doomed - with mortal(leathal - 2nd death, lake of fire) sin - fallen children of Adam. All are doomed to hell.

    If you do not accept Jesus - the Messiah - you will pay that price - the 2nd death.

    Jesus was the God man. Fully God and fully man - but "He emptied Himself" (Phil 2) in His incarnation. This was HIS act - NOT the act of "Mary mother of God".

    The Catholic church is a Christian denomination that has much error and paganism incorporated into it over the centuries. But the true church of God is composed of believers from all groups who place their faith in Christ.

    The RCC is simply a product of the evolution of heresy within the Christian church over the centuries.

    That is actually true!

    However Rev 14 points to a time at the end of the age - when "The hour of His judgment comes" and the wicked are still alive on earth.

    From the sacred book of 1Carson chapter 1 vs 12. But not in scripture. Or is it 1Papacy chapter 1?

    Nice "words" - bad logic and totally fabricated.

    Suffering finds meaning in the LITERAL understanding of Gen 1-3. Man REALLY was created in a sinless, peaceful - non-suffering, non-tooth-and-claw environment. ALL suffering and death LITERALLY came when man LITERALLY fell. The Literal - REAL - Choice of the Literal REAL Adam - resulted in the Literal REAL fall of mankind and the REAL introduction of literal - real suffering, sin and death.

    God's way was FREE of suffering, FREE of death. INSTEAD of "creating via death, destruction, starvation, carnage and cannibalism" God created via "Thus saith the Lord".

    Pure fabrication from the book-of-myths written by the Catholic church as it evolved. (The REAL literal form of evolution).

    God's Word says "ALL have sinned ALL have fallen short" Romans3.

    God's Words says that "DEATH spread to ALL because ALL sinned and ALL are from Adam" Romans 5.

    Mary - is a fallen child of Adam - and she HERSELF declares her OWN need of salvation through - "God MY SAVIOR"

    Carson actually told the truth here.

    Lev 18 SHOWS it. Romans 1 SHOWS it. We do not need Carson's word for it- God's Word ALREADY speaks to the point - JUST as it does to man being created in six days.

    Correct again - murder is murder no matter what other name you give it. Carson has told the truth once AGAIN!!

    The pope is not infallible today - and never was.

    Papal encyclicals on faith and morals, and the practices of the RCC have often been full of error.

    However - the Pope DOES speak for the RCC. Those encyclicals ARE the valid representation OF the errors and myths in Catholicism.

    But in saying that - the Pope is not "bound to speak only error" - he can speak truth with error.

    The Popes of history have included both saved - saints and unsaved monsters.

    True - except it is God HIMSELF - God the Holy Spirit that enables fallen depraved humanity to know right from wrong. God "Convicts us of sin and righeousness and judgment" - directly as HE states in John 16.

    More than mercy - we need "salvation".

    And the "WE" of that is "ALL Humanity".

    Mary was "human" and mary was a sinner.

    Wrong. Baptism is an outward symbol - "period".

    There is no "holy water". There is no "magic water". There are no "magic words" for Baptism.

    The "Baptism that NOW saves you" is NOT the "magic water touching your skin" it is "An APPEAL TO GOD for a Clean Conscience". 1Peter 3.

    Error - once again.

    Confession to God - and God ALONE - does NOT heal our soul (nor would your soul be cleansed/changed via confression to sinful man). It is GOD that changes the soul, GOD brings about the New Birth. Confession TO God is the REQUIREMENT He has made - the condition upon which HE will cause "The New Birth" of 2Cor 5 (If anyone is IN CHRIST he IS a New Creation).

    Error again. Holy orders are a myth of the RCC evolved over time. EVEN RC historians "admit" that the NT saints - the NT church leaders - REFUSED to be called priests.

    Truth. Carson has spoken truth!!

    Error! Carson has spoken error - again.

    They are not a means to holiness.

    They are NOT to flood the home - as fast as we can biologically and mindlessly have them. WE are ACCOUNTABLE for what we CHOOSE.

    FOOD is a GIFT from the Lord as well but we are NOT to EAT as much as biologically possible.

    As it turns out - we have free will - and a brain.

    We are to manage our food intake AND manage our homes. That includes not behaving like rabbits.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
  12. Ray Berrian

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    I am not totally against the Catholic Church. We thank the Lord that we stand together as a witnessing church to these truths. I agree with you on these issues:

    Jesus was a real man in history Who rose from the dead, and He is alive today, bodily.

    Homosexual acts are an abomination before God.

    And children are a gift of God, the fruit of love in our marriages, a means to our growth in holiness, and we should always be open to having one more . . .

    Right and wrong actions have a basis in absolute truth, and we can know it.

    We all have free will, and unless our consciences have been deadened, we know exactly when we are committing sin.

    We are all sinners, and we need God's divine mercy.

    Confession heals our souls.

    Marriage unites our souls. {Ray says, we become one flesh with our wife}

    Your other comments are the machinations of the human mind. If you want to review these areas I will be happy to accommodate you.
     
  13. Carson Weber

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    Yes, you are a priest. By baptism, you share in the priesthood of Jesus Christ in persona Christi. By virtue of participation in the prerogative of Jesus Christ to be the only Son of God by nature, you have become a child of God by adoption. However, you are not a presbyter, who participates in the priesthood of Jesus Christ in persona Christi Capitis because you aren't an elder among the children. You haven't received the prerogative to forgive and retain sins, which Jesus gave to his ministers in John 20:21-23. You aren't a ministerial priest as the English "priest" is also derived from the Greek/Latin for presbyter. Look at the American Heritage Dictionary for yourself:

    http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=priest

    And you can't be made a presbyter by a majority vote, by prayinig really hard, or even by reading the Bible over and over again. You become a presbyter through the laying on of the hands - something that requires apostolic succession ;)

    "The reason I left you in Crete was that you might straighten out what was left unfinished and ordain elders in every town" (Titus 1:5).

    "For this reason I remind you to fan into flame the gift of God, which is in you through the laying on of my hands" (2 Tim 1:6).
     
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    The RCC historians DO NOT argue that Presbyters did not "exist". RATHER they argue that the leaders - the presbyters REFUSED to be "called priests" BECAUSE they did NOT make the RC distinction (and the Jewish distinction) between the sacred clergy and profane laity. Their role (even by RC historian account) was Bible study - preaching the word - NOT producing magic words or performing magic rites.

    The ONLY priest on earth recognized in the NT - was the "Kingdom of Priests" which was EVERY member of the church - or the Jewish Priest.

    Those are the ONLY ones listed in scripture in the NT on earth.

    And of course Heb 8:4 points out about Christ "IF He were on earth He would NOT be a priest".

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
  15. Ray Berrian

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    Bob Ryan,

    Your post was true to the Word of God and comical at times.

    If we did not have so many 'rabbits' coming across our southern borders, California might not be in mega-million dollar debt. I understand that their debt is more than the total debts of the other forty-nine states.
     
  16. Singer

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    Yes, you are a priest. By baptism, you share in the priesthood of Jesus
    Christ in persona Christi.


    But I ain't baptized, Carson....I ain't been wet yet.
    (Oh never mind.....baptism by desire will do the trick).
    Kristi who?
     
  17. Carson Weber

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    Kristi who?

    How prophetic of the fact that you do not know Christ in the Biblical sense of "knowing" for you have not been united to him in the New Covenant by making the baptismal oath. ;)

    Sorry Singer..

    No Baptism, No Born Again.
    No Plunge, no Priesthood.

    You're just as pagan as you were yesterday. Saying all of the prayers you want, reading the Bible as many times as you can, and even jumping up and down, flapping your arms.. won't save you.

    "a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also - not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (1 Peter 3:19-21)

    "don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection." (Romans 6:3-5)

    Unless you have been united to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ through water baptism, you aren't saved, for only by being incorporated into the New Covenant is one saved, and one cannot enter into a covenant without making an oath: the baptismal oath.

    All of your ranting and raving and dilly dallying on your computer is nothing more than a waste of a pagan's time while thousands if not millions of pagans are entering into a covenant relationship with the Lord every day all around the world by receiving baptism. You need to be united to Jesus Christ in baptism to be saved. That's the Truth. ;)

    I didn't say you'd like it. But I did say it's true.
     
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    Very kind of you to say that Ray.

    And yes - I would agree that the rabbit problem surfaces in the poorer Catholic countries in a more pronounced fashion than in other christian countries. However - I am not promoting Abortion as "the only alternative" - but rather planning etc etc which we won't get into on this board.

    But - the mindless biological rabbit thing - is out.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
  19. Ray Berrian

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    Carson Weber,

    You make it sound like being a Christian is like following a kind of Catholic cook book. A dash of water brings on baptismal regeneration without any cognitive decision, then believe all the major topics like: purgatory, prayers to saints, immaculate conception, etc. and you become a Catholic.

    You said, 'How prophetic of the fact that you do not know Christ in the Biblical sense of
    "knowing" for you have not been united to him in the New Covenant by
    making the baptismal oath.
    Ray-In all my days I never saw a baby take an oath at a Christian altar. The parents may make certain promises before God, however.

    No Baptism, No Born Again.

    Ray-The thief on the Cross did not even have one drop of water placed on his head. Plus in Acts 2:31 and Acts 16:31 God calls for belief. An infant does not have this capacity, and also no water in these verses. But with you human cookbook coming from the pope, we would not expect you folks to bow to the words of Jesus.

    No Plunge, no Priesthood.

    Ray-Becoming a priest in the Christian church comes by believing in Jesus Christ for cleansing of sins [John 3:16}; a infant cannot construct thoughts so early in life. Revelation 1:6 indicates that every Christian is a priest unto God, and not only a trained clergy. We all have personal access to the Lord God through prayer.

    You're just as pagan as you were yesterday. Saying all of the prayers you
    want, reading the Bible as many times as you can, and even jumping up and
    down, flapping your arms.. won't save you.

    Ray-I'm not a cardinal but I have preached and studied the Bible for mega years. I welcome you to 'Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.' [Acts 16:31]

    "a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, and this water
    symbolizes baptism that now saves you also - not the removal of dirt
    from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves
    you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (1 Peter 3:19-21)

    Ray-Baptism is a sign and seal that one has received the covenant and is in a right relationship with the Lord God, just as the 'marking of the flesh' was a sign and seal under the old or former covenant.

    "don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. If we have been
    united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him
    in his resurrection." (Romans 6:3-5)

    Ray is saying, 'the Apostle Paul did not suggest the teaching of baptism in this passage nor is water a word in this passage. The passage speaks of our introduction to the Person of the Holy Spirit. This takes place when we first come to know Jesus. He baptizes us into the Spirit of God. Many other things take place when we experience Christ in salvation. But that's another study.'

    Unless you have been united to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ
    through water baptism, you aren't saved, for only by being incorporated into
    the New Covenant is one saved, and one cannot enter into a covenant
    without making an oath: the baptismal oath.

    Ray has a question. Surely people come to the Christian faith in the Catholic church as adults, but this does not mean that they are not saved/Christian just because they might not have been baptized. Water baptism is not crucial to one making it to Heaven, but a person will want to obey the Lord in baptism as soon as he comes to the importance of said ordinance.

    The Bible, if you will, is the cookbook or roadmap showing us how to get to Heaven, and not the encyclicals of human, potentates or popes.'

    Carson said, 'All of your ranting and raving and dilly dallying on your computer is nothing
    more than a waste of a pagan's time while thousands if not millions of
    pagans are entering into a covenant relationship with the Lord every day all
    around the world by receiving baptism. You need to be united to Jesus Christ
    in baptism to be saved. That's the Truth.'

    Ray-You are out of step with the teaching of the Word of God, which alone is the truth.
    We know you are threatened by the church officials but Protestants don't shake over any human being; we tremble and bow in obedience to His words of truth. Why? Because one day we will have to stand before the Ancient of Days Who Paul speaks of as ' . . . the terror of the Lord.' Our security is in receiving Him [John 1:12] and by doing this Jesus becomes our 'Shepherd and Bishop of our souls.' [I Peter 2:25]
     
  20. Don

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    I'm amused. Carson's tone here is completely different than his usual postings.

    What happened, Carson?
     

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