TULIP of Scripture

Since all Calvinists on the BB appear by their lack of topical discussion to accept the rewrite of the T, lets move on to the U.

Here is the original wordings:

The first problem with this is that it should read Unlimited Reconciliation, i.e. available for anyone to receive. The second problem is it says God reconciled all of fallen mankind to Himself, and it should say God is reconciling fallen mankind to Himself, one person at a time.

The exhibits to support this premise are: 1 John 2:2 - Christ would not be the propitiation or means of salvation for the whole world if reconciliation was not being offered to the whole world.

Exhibit two is Romans 5:10 which says we were reconciled "to God" by the death of Christ but then draws a distinction between being reconciled in that general way, and being saved. Now this difficulty is explained (exhibit three) in 2 Corinthians 5:18 where again Paul says God reconciled us (an individual rather than general action) and gave us the ministry of reconciliation. Clearly then Paul is saying God provided reconciliation to mankind through the death of Christ, but only those who receive the reconciliation, by God crediting our faith as righteousness and placing us in Christ, are saved. So as God is putting individuals in Christ, He is "reconciling the world to Himself" one individual at a time.

So according to the scriptures referenced the "U" should read:

 

This is not even a valid presentation of Calvinism's limited atonement. Jesusfan just makes it up from whole cloth, without a shred of biblical support.

I provided several verses that teach God's provision for the sin of mankind is unlimited, Jesus being the propitiation or means of salvation for the whole world.
1 John 2:2. Jesusfan says it was limited in scope and then muddies the waters by saying unlimited in value. If it did not provide propitiation for the whole world, all of fallen mankind it was limited in value, being worthless to those not covered. Again, Calvinism is totally unbiblical.

But if we unscramble the muck Calvinism makes of Biblical doctrine, we get the U of the Reformed TULIP.

 

“L” should stand for Limited Atonement: All mankind has been reconciled to God, but not all men have received the reconciliation. We are individually set apart, chosen, elected and made “at one with God” when we are spiritually baptized into Christ based on God accepting our faith in Christ as sufficient for His purpose.

Lets revise this one too.

As supporting verses, we have God choosing individual based on their faith in the truth such that they are rich in faith, 2 Thessalonians 2:13 and James 2:5. We are made alive together with Christ, Ephesians 2:5. Romans 4:4,5/24 tells us that it is God who credits our faith, it has no value of and in itself.

 

The meaning of limited atonement is that it is limited in scope, Christ dying only for the supposedly preselected elect. Jesusfan said Christ provided propitiation for the whole world. That is not Calvinism. Calvinism says Christ died for the elect only and not for all mankind. Calvinists must misrepresent their doctrine in order to offer any sort of biblical defense. It is as if Jesusfan has no concept of the Penal Substitution theory of Atonement, where Christ died only for the sins of the elect and providing absolutely no propititation for the non-elect.

Then Jbh28 posts that Jesusfan had it right. Calvinism must be defended by deception or else it becomes obvious it is unbiblical.

 

Buried in this doctrine is the doctrine of conditional individual election for salvation during the lifetime of the believers. Thus Calvinism's point, "Unconditional Election of individuals before creation" is utterly removed from the formulation. Calvinism bases their mistaken view on a misunderstanding of the meaning of Ephesians 1:4, where God chose us in Him before the foundation of the world. According to the theory, God chose us individually before He created us, redefining the meaning of creation by having all of creation exhaustively planned out and foreordained before God actually created anything. Calvinism rests on redefining words such as creation.

Next they ignore "in Him" or suppy differeing meanings for the phrase. Some say God chose individuals to be placed in Him. Others simply delete it, saying the verse reads He chose us before the foundation of the world. None address the obvious, when God chose His Redeemer, His Lamb, before the foundation of the world, He corporately chose those the Redeemer would redeem, hence He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world.

But why is this corporate election view to be accepted over and against the "individual" election view of Calvinism? Because of 3 or so passages that specifically teach God chooses us individually during our lifetime. 1 Peter 2:9-10 says we lived without mercy before being chosen. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 says God chose us through faith in the truth. James 2:5 says God chose those who were poor to the world but rich in faith who were heirs to the promise to those who love God. 1 Corinthians 1:26-31 says individuals were chosen that were consider foolish in the world.

Therefore the Bible actually teaches conditional election, with God determining whose faith to credit as righteousness.