Turning from Israel?

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  1. mima

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    Is supporting a state of Palestine inside the borders of Israel, as defined by God's Word in the Bible not against Israel? The PD port deal also appears to be against Israel? Am I wrong? What do you think?
     
  2. Johnv

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    The present day State of Israel that exists today is not the same as the OT Nation of Israel. I personally support the right of both Israel and Palestine to live in individual autonomous sovereign nations. That doesn't mean I support the terrorism and infighting that goes on, btw.

    Now, that said, youre going to get a whole slew of folks who disagree with me on this for eschatological reasons. So let the games begin...
     
  3. Joseph_Botwinick

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    No it is not turning against Israel. Yes you are wrong. But, then again, I am not a pre-miller.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  4. RandR

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    No. See above for explanation.
     
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    uhoh I agree!

    How can anyone not be Pre-millenial? Jesus is seated where right now?

    Hint: it's not the Mount of Olives
     
  6. Johnv

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    There's agreement all around. Are we all feeling well? I'm going to go home and see if the dogs and cats in my neighborhood are living together yet.
     
  7. Grasshopper

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    I think you watch too much Jack Van Impe. ;)

    Is rejecting Jesus and wanting to re-institute animal sacrificies an ambomination to God?
     
  8. Salamander

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    Nope, my son's dog chased the cat up the tree again, but it does look a little like that cat is smiling, cheshire grin?
     
  9. freedom's cause

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    everyone read this
    note in this report hamas doesn't want mutual
    relations concerning Israel (not palestine) they
    want it all please wake up and pay attention everyone
    it's about time christians supported Israel
    and with every thing we have Hamas must be stopped


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    What does all of that have to do with the OP?
     
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    what doesn't it have hopefully some of us will get the point please stop support of any kind for Hamas Now is the time to support Israel more
    than ever we should know by now that Israel can never live with the Hamas palestinian terrorists
    unfortunately the palestinians have chosen hamas
    to lead them and it looks like it may be straight to hell
     
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    Again, what does that long post have to do with the OP?
     
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    Joseph

    You should distinguish which pre-millers you are referencing.

    It is only the dispensationalist premillennialists who believe that god will punish christians who don't side with Israel.

    Historic/covenant premillennialists generally hold the same view toward Israel and the church that amillennialists and post-millennialists do.
     
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    I think you watch too much Jack Van Impe. ;)

    Is rejecting Jesus and wanting to re-institute animal sacrificies an abomination to God?
    </font>[/QUOTE]Good point Grasshopper! :D
     
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    Pray that the light of God's Word will shine on all dispensationalists!
     
  16. Brother James

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    Amen brother!
     

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