Turns out Jeb isn't the only one...

Yep. Motor voter is a BIG mistake.

 

You didn't really answer my question, did you? <wink>

The topic is voter fraud. Galatian in the past has been partial to certain kinds of voter fraud, complaining when he thinks Republicans might benefit. I was simply asking, as I have before, if the other side matters to him. He did not seem terribly concerned that illegal voters might vote in Florida. I was curious if he was concerned about it in Colorado, or if this was just selective complaining.</font>[/QUOTE]Again, you really didn't answer my questions, did you? &lt;wink, wink&gt;

The two cases are mutually exclusive. In Colorado, there are allegedly felons registering to vote, right? In Nevada, there are people who are allegedly signing up people to vote, yet are apparently throwing out the voter registrations for those people that were Democrats. [Note: no charges have been filed, so I am purposely not making any assumptions of guilt.]

One scenario involves people attempting to commit fraud. The other scenario involves fraud committed on would-be voters. Did you notice the last two sentences in the article Galatian posted? If that is true, then this is a VERY SERIOUS allegation.

 

I am not sure why you think I didn't answer your question. You seem to think that I connected the case in Nevada and the case in Colorado. I didn't. I simply pointed out another case of voter fraud and wondered when Galatian was going to comment on that.

I didn't notice the last two sentences in teh article. I didn't read it. I read what Galatian posted and found out what I wanted to know. I menteiond another case that Galatian had not mentioned.

Voter fraud is always wrong, no matter how it happens or who it benefits.

I have to tell you I am not sure what hte issue you are trying to make is.

 

You continue with the unproven assertion that this was a "Bush plan" to disenfranchise voters. Maybe one day you will put up or shut up. Other than that, you have basically repeated what I said.

 

That being said, what was the intent of interjecting this into the discussion?

Here is the initial post you gave us that I questioned:

As I said previously, the two are mutually exclusive.

Ah, now we are getting somewhere.

This statement represents a common ground that we do indeed share. I would dare imagine that we both possess a deep love of country.

That is easy: I am making an attempt to reiterate the seriousness of these charges. IMO, this is more serious than the case in Colorado as it involves a willful deception of legitimate voters.

 

Because the thread was about voter fraud. This was another case of it. The two may be mutually exclusive, but they are the same topic.

I am sure of that.

So why is willful deception of the voters more serious than willful deception of the state voting authority? I don't think one is more serious than the other. I think they are both equally serious. In NV, you have a company acting on its own deceiving voters. In CO, you have voters acting on their own to deceive the state. They are both equally serious. As I say, voter fraud of all kinds is serious. All of it is unacceptable.

 

[The following is based on allegations, and nobody has been convicted.]

In Colorado, the charge is that some who are not eligible to vote are trying to subvert the law and vote. In other words, someone is engaging in willful deception of the state voting authority.

In Nevada, there is a group that is alleged to have worked under the guise of voter registration that is supposedly destroying the registration forms for anyone who identifed themselves as a Democrat. In other words, someone is engaging in willful deception of the state voting authority, and someone is being robbed of the legitimate right to vote.

Who are the victims in Colorado?
Who are the victims in Nevada?

 

1The citizens of Colorado, and indirectly the remainder of the citizens of the USA

2The citizens of Nevada, and indirectly the remainder of the citizens of the USA

 

1The citizens of Colorado, and indirectly the remainder of the citizens of the USA

2The citizens of Nevada, and indirectly the remainder of the citizens of the USA </font>[/QUOTE]So, are you saying (or writing, actually) that the willful deception of these voters (direct deception I might add) is not as serious? How would you feel if you were one of those people who filled out a voter registration card, only to find out that you were not registered to vote? Basically, you would be told that your vote would not be counted in this election.

Do you really that the Nevada case is not a much larger concern, especially now that the same group is receiving similar complaints in the state of Oregon?

 

The victims in Colorado are the state and the voters, and ultimately the candidates and the nation at large. The victims in Nevada are the voters, and ultimately the candidates and the nation at large. My point is that there is no "better" or "worse" here. They are bad. Both are equally bad. It is no better to have illegal voters voting than it is to have legal voters turned away because someone threw their application away. Neither is good; neither should be tolerated. They are the same.

 

It's not new ... I have always had that position ...

 

No, you are wrong. I wasn't angry about the public outcry and the canceling of a program. My point was twofold:

1) You insisted on blaming Bush without bothering to provide evidence that Bush was actually involved in directing towards the outcome. Your own link at the time cited that Bush was not guilty of wrongdoing. I am of the opinion that placing blame on Bush so vehemently as you did should require that you actually prove your point by more than innuendo.

2) When the program was canceled, there did not appear to be any program to rule out voter fraud. So the door would be open to voter fraud. If you take out the only program to fight voter fraud, and do not replace it with a program to fight voter fraud, you open the door to voter fraud. Given the state of the Florida electoral system, it is vital that voter fraud be addressed. What I said was bad was the complete absence of a voter fraud program.

 

Ok, how about this one ?

It's not proof, but it is evidence.

 

That is at least a start. But the allegation was made that Bush directed the outcome in order to prevent democratic leaning voters from voting. Your article still proves nothing of the sort. But it did give the interesting quote that you, for some reason, you admitted.

Did you omit this little part because it proves what I have been saying, and denies what you have tried to show? Why else would you? Why wouldn't you, in the interest of fairness, present the evidence for the position you don't hold?

The guy who said that was the same guy who wrote the email referred to above (Long). He said Bush wanted the state to get it right. Will you admit that now?

 

That doesn't appear to be true. It seems that the process was not allowed to play out to know what Bush would have done. It is inappropriate to speculate. There is no evidence that the exclusion of Hispanic felons was ordered by Bush.

But why do you charge illegal withholding of details?