Two Bush-Era Officials Reject Cheney Assertions

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  1. Magnetic Poles

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    WASHINGTON (AFP) – Two top Bush-era officials on Friday rejected ex-vice president Dick Cheney's scathing criticism of US President Barack Obama, saying the country's national security was not in jeopardy.


    Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who served in the same post under former president George W. Bush, and Tom Ridge, the former head of homeland security, both voiced disagreement with Cheney a day after he attacked Obama's performance as the new commander-in-chief.


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    #1, Gates .. under Obama right now .. what do you expect.

    #2 Ridge .. says he disagrees with both of them .. his mention in that article was kind of pointless.
     
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    Exactly.

    As Secretary of Defense, Gates is deeply invested in the Obama Administration plans. It would be political suicide for him to say anything else.
     
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    I agree with CoJoJax and Carpo regarding Gates.

    As for Tom Ridge, I don't understand his logic. I read every single word of Dick Cheney's speech hours ago from Human events on-line.It was well-reasoned,factual and ultra-clear.Ridge said he didn't appreciate the former Vice President's bitter partisan tone. What speech was Ridge actually reading?! That certainly does not characterize Cheney's address.
     
  5. SeekingTruth

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    Gates is not about to bite the hand that feeds him.

    Tom Ridge is the arch-typical RINO, who will bend whichever way the wind blows. That is to say, the same cowardice that pervades the so-called Republican politicians has manifested itself in Ridge.
     
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    I am trying to figure out if Chaney is saying what he believes or is worried about his salvaging his legacy.
     
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    Keep "figuring".

    I'm certain you will never know or understand the answer.
     
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    Why do you continue to deliberately misspell his name?
     
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    Oops, sorry about the mistake in spelling.

    Still, I am not sure what is behind his motives. I may be wrong, but I think he is setting a new standard for a former VP voicing criticism of the succeeding administration. It does make me wonder if:

    1. He is saying what he believes
    2. He is hoping to improve his image for his legacy
    3. He is drumming up business for the defense industry

    He was quite quiet during the years he was the VP and now he cannot quit talking. It makes me wonder what his motives are. I doubt any of us will ever know for sure.
     
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    I love it, one can't be a "true" republican unless they believe 100% in what the party does. If you disagree with anything the party does then you're a RINO and not a true republican. Isn't that more of a cult than a political party?
     
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    It's a matter of princilpes.

    The Republican party stands on certain principles. If you do not stand on those principles then you are not actually a Republican in that sense. You may call yourself a Republican but it would be in name only - hence RINO.

    Tell me can someone be a Christian if one does not stand on Christian doctrine? Would you be a Chrisitian if you denied the divinity of Christ even if you called yourself a Christian? Or would you be a Christian in name only?
     
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    How can you call Cheney's speech factual when he can't support most of his assertions? We the public don't know for a fact that enhanced interrogations saved one American life. We know Cheney's says it did but we have no factual proof. How can his speech be factual in the absence of proof of the facts?

    I believe Ridge is referring to the entire circus Cheney and his daughter is putting on trying to defend the previous administration. I personally appreciate Cheney and Bush keeping us safe but I question if compromising our founding principles that separate us from the uncivilized parts of the world is a price we should have paid. I think Cheney should write a book and clear his conscience that way.

    If what we bring to the rest of the world has to be compromised in order to defend itself against our enemies, then we are admitting that our guiding principles are not enough to make us safe or to sustain us against other ideologies. So that bring to question, "what good are our principles" and "why are our principles better than their current way of life or beliefs"?

    The day good becomes evil for any reason is the day evil has conquered good because all evil has ever wanted is for good to become like them.
     
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    The republican party HAS principles. However so does Calvinism. One can be a 3 or 4 point Calvinist. Why can't one be a true republican without signing on 100% to everything the party does? I have members of the Church who don't agree 100% to every decision I've made. I respect that and encourage it because it keeps me humble and accountable. I don't reduce them to a member in name only because hey disagree with anything that has happened int he Church. Again, that is the definition of a cult...

    The question is do all Christians agree 100% on what Christian doctrine is? Some believe in predestination and others in eternal security. Would it make you any less a Christian because you don't agree 100% with my theology? I think not and I'm glad about that...
     
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    Fine example of the No True Scotsman logical fallacy. CLICK HERE
    And the word is archetypical, not arch-typical. Arch typical is the kind of hamburgers you find at McDonalds. :laugh:
     
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    I don't know where to start. First of all, your statement about the new standard in criticism is baloney. Gore ripped Bush apart several times, concerning the Iraq war that Clinton & Gore helped start.

    Second, Cheney doesn't care about his legacy. He is quite content that the liberals detest him. Cheney's approval ratings have gone up, in the last week.

    Third, about "drumming up business for the defense industry, again, I refer you to the Clinton/Gore Iraq war buildup, sanctions, & speeches about WMDs, starting in 1993.
     
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    It doesn't really matter whether Ridge is a RINO or not.

    In this case he contradicted himself so badly in his statement that he can effectively be ignored on this subject.

    Gates is a career bureaucrat. Parties are really meaningless to him.
     
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    One thing about the Cheney speech...

    I've never been a huge fan of Dick Cheney...

    But for whatever reason, his speech was pretty refreshing to listen to. Obama's teleprompter-talk has completely drained me. :tonofbricks:

    It's nice to hear somebody say what they actually believe and not try to make everybody feel good.
     
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    It is still a free country. Those two are just as entitled to shoot off their mouth as you are.

    obama wants the intelligence services of this country in the same position that the Church commission left them, useless. In doing so he will further his efforts to make us a third world country.
     
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    If that slime bag you call president would release the CIA documents we would know the truth. Why doesn't obama release them and prove Cheney a liar. Because they would show that Cheney is telling the truth.
     
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    What a crock; you are wrong!

    In his speech this week the "little bho" referred critically to President Bush 28 times in an attempt to cover his own backside. That is what is called unprecedented. Furthermore as someone has already pointed out on this thread "gore the tree hugger" slammed President Bush every time the opportunity presented itself. At one time "gore the tree hugger" declared that Bush had betrayed the country.

    It is the democrat/socialist party that is betraying the country as exemplified by Pelosi calling the CIA liars and by bho wanting to rewrite the Constitution.
     

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