Two Kingdoms - Are they Synonymous?

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  1. rlvaughn

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    I noticed on another thread that it was said that the "Kingdom of Heaven" and the "Kingdom of God" are not the same - not synonymous. This seems to be a fairly common dispensational teaching. If so, what about verses like:
    Matthew 13:31 - "Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof." and Luke 13:18-19 - "Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it? It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air lodged in the branches of it."
     
  2. Pure Words

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    Because two different things have similiar traits does not make them the same.

    Kingdom of Heaven = Physical, literal, earthly kingdom with Jesus Christ reigning on the Throne of David in Jerusalem in the millenium

    Kingdom of God = spiritual kingdom into which the believer in the church ages enters when he is saved
     
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    Being a Primitive Baptist I feel according to scripture that these two words are interchangable... Is there not a Kingdom on this earth now where God reigns?... Did not Jesus Christ set up his church in the world?... Is not the written word of God rules to govern the kingdom he set up? What are the names of his subjects that are called kings and priests unto God?... They are his blood bought believing baptised children!... Notice also the scriptures state the kingdom is within you!... A spiritual kingdom that the world cannot see until their blindness is removed by the Lord!... Brother Glen [​IMG]
     
  4. Pastor Larry

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    As a dispensationalist, I believe they are the same because the terms are used interchangeably. They have similar characteristics because they are the same thing.
     
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    Hi Pure Words,

    Can you give Bible quotes to show why you think this? Personally it seems clear to me that both (in the majority of places, at the very least) are different names for the same thing: Christ's physical, millennial kingdom.

    Your friend and brother,

    Bartholomew
     
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    Same thing, both pointing to the church, not some geo-political state.
     
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    Amen... Brother Jeff!... Now who was the Man that planted the seed that grew into that great tree and who are the fowls in the branches?... Brother Glen :cool:
     
  9. Steve K.

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    They are different KIngdom's.
    Parable of talents in Matt.25 wicked servant cast into outer darkness{hell}
    Parable of talents luke 19 wicked servant suffers loss only.
    Does the bible contradict? NO!
    Matt 25 is kingdom of heaven,Luke 19 is the kingdom of GOD!
    Matt.13:47 Kingdom of heaven is like net gathering good and bad and seperating in the end.There is no bad in the Kingdom Of God.
    They are not the same.They have similarities.
     
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    What church do you go to!... Sometimes the saints... aint!... Brother Glen :rolleyes:
     
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    Dispenstionalism teach that "kingdom of God" and "kingdom of heaven" are different.

    Because "kingdom of heaven" in Matthew is for the Jews only.

    Apostle Matthew and Jesus both do not saying "kingdom of heaven" is for Jews only.

    Also, it apply to us all Christians both Jews and Gentiles.

    Both 'Kingdom of God', and 'Kingdom of heaven' are same.

    You will notice Jesus' lecture on kingdom of God and kingdom of Heaven are same in the four gospels.

    There is no difference between kingdom of God and kingdom of heaven. Both are same.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 - Amen!

    Posttrib/Amill
     
  12. Pastor Larry

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    No it doesn't. Some dispensationalists teach that but it is not a feature of dispensationalism, just as amill is not a feature of covenant theology. It is what some covenantalists hold. You must separate between the essentials and the peripherals. I am a dispensationalist who believes that the kingdom of God and the kingdom of Heaven are the same; that it is the kingdom prophesied in the OT; and that God will fulfill his promises concerning the earthly kingdom.
     
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    C. I. Scofield missed the obvious: that "kingdom of heaven" is a figure of speech peculiar to Matthew.

    Most likely Matthew, who was writing to a Jewish audience, wrote "kingdom of heaven" because of the traditional Jewish deference to the sacred name (though he does not do so consistently and sometimes uses both terms in the same teaching, for emphasis).

    Often the other Gospel authors use the term "kingdom of God" when reporting on the same event for which Matthew uses "kingdom of heaven." If the Scofieldians are right and the kingdom of Heaven and kingdom of God are two different things, then either Matthew or the other author must have misinterpreted Jesus' words.
     
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    Ok, whatsoever you saying. Not all dispensationalists saying on kingdom of God and kingdom of heaven are different.

    I respect you well.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 - Amen!

    Posttrib/Amill
     

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