U.S. Future healthcare

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  1. Don

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    These things are happening *now* in one of the systems we're trying to model our own healthcare system after:

    (warning: British websites have a different standard regarding sexuality; some of the pictures on the page may be too risque)
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...ed-stomach-refused-life-saving-operation.html

    (same warning applies)
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...-NHS-says-isnt-fat-surgery.html#ixzz1RpE4ISJA
     
  2. InTheLight

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    Unfortunately, your premise is false. The U.S. is not trying to emulate a one-payer system where the government owns the hospitals and clinics.
     
  3. Don

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    Granted; but we are attempting to institute a system which will, by its nature, require "health boards" to determine authorization of care. The American public, in general, has a misconception that Obamacare means they can walk into any clinic and get care for any problem; as evidenced by the health care systems it's modeled after, sometimes even a "common sense" medical solution will be denied.
     
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    Can you cite a reference for this? The current health care reform retains health insurance companies. Even the government pool will rely on health insurance companies to provide funding for care.
     
  5. mandym

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    Baloney


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk
     
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    :rolleyes:

    Obama apologists just can't help themselves.:laugh:

    One of the primary goals of Obamacare is to put all health nsurance companies out of business.
     
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    I am sure that whatever system is in place in a particular country for healthcare, it would be possible to find individual accounts of failures.

    For instance, in just a few moments, I found the following:

    Doctor refused to treat patient (The patient then died).

    Pediatrician Refuses To Treat Patient Because of Mom’s Tattoos

    So by the same criteria as you used, I could say, "These things are happening *now* in the health system in place in the United States." And, unless the reports are mistaken, I would be right. But to extrapolate that and say, "The health care system in the US is useless," would be wrong.

    Also, I cannot understand your comments about s*xuality standards on British websites. Your first link contained two photos of the lady concerned (and no one else). In both pictures she is sitting by herself, fully clothed. Same with the second link. Three pictures of the man by himself, seated in an armchair and fully clothed. Should they both have been wearing overcoats and hats, or something? :)
     
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  8. Don

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    In the pictures/links to other stories on the right hand side of the web page, which is constantly changing as they change stories, sometimes the pictures could be what some might consider risque.
     
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    For older Americans, except for those who have Medigap to supplement Medicare we already have a one payer insurance policy. When you turn 65 you have no choice but to have Medicare.
     
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    Then what is the government's obligation

    to provide expensive high tech remedies?

    If the government has no obligation then only the rich should get expensive treatments?
     
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    Sure - Obama's healthcare bill.

    It's called the "Independent Payment Advisory Board".

    I'm surprised that you are unaware of this...

    After all it was such a short bill and was posted on the internet for everyone to read for days before it was voted on... :rolleyes:
     
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    The IPAB was created by ObamaCare to reduce the rate of growth of Medicare. If the projected per capita growth rate for Medicare exceeds a target growth rate, IPAB must develop a proposal to reduce per capita Medicare spending.

    It's a Medicare budget overseeing agency, not a board that determines who gets what medical care.
     
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    Reduce medicare spending!!!!!!!!??????:eek::eek::eek:

    OMG Liberals think the world is coming to an end when republicans talk about doing the same thing.
     
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    My first dealings with Obamacare came when we had a dept meeting to inform us that due to the economy, we would have to start paying for our dependent health coverage.....now, that wasn't Obamacare, but listen to what followed....

    Anybody who has children who are under the age of 26 can add them back on the policy...yes, those GROWN children who still live at home who were previously uninsured (cut off was 19 or 23 if in college) can now be put back on their parent's policy, thanks to Obamacare.

    I think this is RIDICULOUS. Another form of welfare.
     
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    A single payer system on its way!
     
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    Thank God!
     
  17. David Lamb

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    That may be, I don't know, but your warning was not "Don't follow the links on the page; they may lead you to risque pictures". It was: "some of the pictures on the page may be too risque."

    I should add that I don't know whether it is true or not that we have more lenient laws regarding risque content on websites, compared with the United States.
     
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    Until the US Supreme Court finds it unConstitutional.
     
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    Single payer is constitutional. It's the individual mandate in ObamaCare that's unconstitutional.
     
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    Obamacare falls apart without it.
     
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