U.S. Military Fatalities in Iraq by County of Permanent Residence.

Tom,

Sure, there are families of priviledge whose kids join the military. But that doesn't change the fact that a rich kid has more opportunity for other options, such as college, jobs, etc. You seem to be saying, "Yeah they knew what they were getting into. Too bad for them." At least it is how you come across.

 

Of course there's no conspiracy being reported on CNN or Faux News. It can be found in the writtings and documents of the "crazies" and Isrealis. But nobody reads that boring stuff.

Where's the oil? Google Iraqi Oil Law.

Who controls the oil now, the Iraqis? No the transnationals do.

 

Another point is that lower-income individuals who have not attended college have not yet been indoctrinated into the "America is Evil" mindset. Yeah, I know that is a generalization, but practically every kid I ever knew who went off to college came back with that attitude. And before anyone jumps me, I was honorably discharged from the Army, and my son is about to be honorably discharged from the service in a couple months. He hasn't been to college yet, BTW.

 

I think that is a correlation with no support. Education is not a bad thing, and I don't know of a college that teaches America is evil. There are no doubt professors like Ward Churchhill who are nut jobs like that, but it isn't endemic.

 

That's because we have a bunch of collectivist green liberal one worlder college profs teaching kids that "global awareness" and all that goes with it is good and national sovereignty and national identities are bad.

Now that Bush has brought us back under the control of UNESCO you can be sure the same message will be "taught" in high schools all across the country. All the kiddies from first grade on will be taught the many wonders of international socialism and we'll foot the bill.

 

Let me mark this down on my calendar. I finally am able to agree with you on something.

 

Same thing I've been saying all along.

There should be no debate on the honor of serving ones country it's "self evident" as far as I'm concerned. What I question is whether or not our military is being used for the purpose of expanding and consolidating the global elites control over the earth's resources.

To my mind our military should only be used to protect our national security (independence and constitution) which isn't the same as national interests in that national interests includes the interests of those international socialists and corporitos I just happen to refer to as globalists.

I question whether or not our military has been co-opted by one worlders and used for other than "noble" purposes. If our young people today were told they would be fighting to protect and expand the elites empire instead of serving their country would they still feel it honorable to serve in the military?

Would you?

 

Countries have fought wars for centuries over matters that they considered to be vital to their security and national interest, and probably in each instance the argument could be made that lives were lost over frivolous issues. Millions of soldiers have been buried far from home for millenia. Where most people would disagree with you is in saying that a cabal of worldwide elites, a sort of Masters of the Universe scenario, is colluding and pulling all the strings. And then taking every event and saying, Aha, they made that happen. That is where we part company.

 

Right. I forgot you're grasp of history only goes so far. Sorry my mistake. All throughout history the elites have sought to control those they feel are inferior to them. Tyranny is the norm. Liberty is abnormal. Our founders knew this they wrote about it extensively.The elites have admitted it time and time again, their documents further support their admissions. Why do you insist on denying all this?

Does the thought of it scare you that much?

Would you enlist if you knew you would be defending and protecting the elite's global empire instead of serving your country?

 

Mag Poles, thanks for taking the time to discuss the logic here.

First, we need to define "families of privilige" and "rich kids." Troublesome. Second, are there more opportunities for the rich than for poor? Yes and no. Yes in that, of course, they can stay at home, (if they're really rich), or they can go to college/tech school, or they can enter the job market. The poor can get jobs, go to college, etc. as well. (I was one, I ought to know). And the poor have financial aid that is available to them that is not available to others. I just don't buy the whole "the poor have no options but _________" because the facts just do not support this. I will not argue that the poor tend NOT to take advantage of the enormity of opportunities ahead of them, but to say they are not there is not accurate.

I don't know what you're implying by the "...too bad for them..." part. If you're saying I'm saying that "Oh well, their loss" then of course not. I'm just saying that any soldier is a soldier, whether rich parents or poor parents, and every sacrifice is noble, and every soldier is noble for volunteering when they (Rich or poor) can do so many other things.