U.S. Troops Kill Pregnant Woman in Iraq

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  1. KenH

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    U.S. troops kill pregnant woman in Iraq
    By KIM GAMEL, Associated Press Writer


    U.S. forces killed two Iraqi women — one of them about to give birth — when the troops shot at a car that failed to stop at an observation post in a city north of Baghdad, Iraqi officials and relatives said Wednesday.

    Nabiha Nisaif Jassim, 35, was being raced to the maternity hospital in Samarra by her brother when the shooting occurred Tuesday.

    Jassim, the mother of two children, and her 57-year-old cousin, Saliha Mohammed Hassan, were killed by the U.S. forces, according to police Capt. Laith Mohammed and witnesses.

    The U.S. military said coalition troops fired at a car after it entered a clearly marked prohibited area near an observation post but failed to stop despite repeated visual and auditory warnings.

    "Shots were fired to disable the vehicle," the military said in a statement e-mailed to The Associated Press. "Coalition forces later received reports from Iraqi police that two women had died from gunshot wounds ... and one of the females may have been pregnant."

    Jassim's brother, who was wounded by broken glass, said he did not see any warnings as he sped his sister to the hospital. Her husband was waiting for her there.

    "I was driving my car at full speed because I did not see any sign or warning from the Americans. It was not until they shot the two bullets that killed my sister and cousin that I stopped," he said. "God take revenge on the Americans and those who brought them here. They have no regard for our lives."

    He said doctors tried but failed to save the baby after his sister was brought to the hospital.

    The shooting deaths occurred in the wake of an investigation into allegations that U.S. Marines killed unarmed civilians in the western city of Haditha.

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    Bring our troops home, President Bush! NOW!!!!
     
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    No. Accidents happen, especially in wartime. That is no reason to cut and run. If we brought our troops home everytime there was a tragedy or a mistake, we would have lost every major war we have fought.

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  3. KenH

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    These incidents are becoming more frequent and more tragic. We had best leave Iraq and Afghanistan on our own terms before the people of both countries run us out.
     
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    So somebody doesn't stop when they're supposed to, and he shoots, like he is supposed to, and yet again, it's our fault. My bet, if these kids get reprimanded, terrorists start using pregnant women as shields, in ernest.
     
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    Just how many innocent civilians must die before we bring our troops home?
     
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    Ever hear of killing 2 birds with one stone?
     
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    Expect to get fired at when you disregard repeated visual and auditory warnings.
     
  8. KenH

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    That's easy to say when it's not your country that has been militarized.
     
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    You are so right Joseph! Our men are there for a reason and they are doing their job well. I am sorry that an innocent woman and her unborn child were lost but those things happen in wars. I can guarantee this is not the first! If you want to bring up the innocent people killed let's talk about Vietnam... It is a given with any war.
     
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    It's also easy to gripe when you're not the soldier standing in the militarized zone seeing a car speeding toward you wondering if you will ever see your family again. Let's think about what we say on here about our men and women over there!
     
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    Just wait a gosh darn minute...KenH has hit on something pertinent.
    In this country ..your wife all of a sudden is in labor ...water has broken ..it is you getting her to the hospitial in a hurry hopefully with a police escort to help you, but my Lord even in Iraq ..their own country they cannot do this!!!! This may be the end ,the American people may very well abandon this incompetent occupation by the bush culture and what stresses it has put on soldiers ...we never did do it right with enough boots on the ground.

    Where is the security we were going to provide...there is none!



    The loss of life is regrettable and coalition forces go to great lengths to prevent them," the military said of the Samarra shooting.


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    But many Iraqis say they are fed up.

    Speeding toward U.S. military checkpoints, convoys or living next door to a suspected insurgent hideout has cost many Iraqis their lives since U.S. troops invaded in 2003. Although figures are not available, it is commonly believed by Iraqis that hundreds of people may have died this way.

    Following incidents similar to that in Samarra, the U.S. military has offered financial compensation to the victims' families and a verbal apology delivered by an officer.

    Most accept the money. But in some cases relatives refuse, viewing the cash offer as an insult. U.S. personnel are in some cases met by angry relatives shouting abuse.

    Anti-U.S. sentiments are whipped up by incidents like Samarra. In addition to Haditha, major abuse cases such as the scandal at the U.S.-run Abu Ghraib prison or the alleged bombing by U.S. warplanes of a wedding in western Iraq in 2004 that killed about 45 people also foster rage at American troops.


     
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    It IS easy to say. If you, even in our country, were warned not to enter into a restricted area by the military, would you ignore the warnings? If you did, even in OUR country, you can expect to get fired at. Simple. Has nothing to do with a country being "militarized."
     
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    Sure it does. President Bush's incompetent Iraq policy has caused the whole country of Iraq to be one large militarized zone.

    It not like in this country where the vast majority of people never come near a military base except to watch the Blue Angels or the Thunderbirds.

    We Americans certainly don't have to rush through a military base in order to take a wife to a hospital to deliver a baby.
     
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    It's not the troops fault that they are in an untenable situation in Iraq. It's the fault of President Bush's wrongheaded policy to invade Iraq in March 2003 over WMDs that didn't exist.
     
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    I wonder what being pregnant really has to do with this story.:confused:

    Is that the reason she was shot?:rolleyes:
     
  16. KenH

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    The woman was shot because President Bush has managed to militarize an entire country.
     
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    Right you are... I believe a web search will reveal that suicide bombers have already used bombs disguished as pregnant stomachs...

    Horribly regrettable accident...
     
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    Excuse me while I recover.:laugh:

    Iraq was already the most weaponized country in the world.
     
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    It's an unfortunate mistake. People, especially those carrying pregnant passengers, should be careful not to blow military checkpoints. Cars have been used as bombs, and suicide bombers have dressed up as pregnant women. This is not the soldiers fault.

    As to the pullout question: Whether we stay or not, the country will likely fall into a civil war (it's already at that point for the people, altough not politically). Like vietnam, we are trying to give freedom and certain values to a people who seemingly do not want it. What is there to do?

    I am not in favor of staying, and I'm not in favor of pulling out. So I guess you can count me in to the group that wishes we never went there in the first place. I just hope it all can end well.
     
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    Who knew they didn't exist in the volumes we expected when Bush issued the ultimatum to Saddam to either fully comply or face military force?

    Bush didn't gather the intelligence or even process it. Mistakes were made... but in the end, which do we want? A President who upon seeing evidence that a sworn enemy has WMD's and is actively working with terrorists to attack us and our allies and takes action or one who ignores such intelligence because it cannot be made 100% certain... allowing our enemies to gain a critical and perhaps catastrophic advantage?

    If someone reported that someone who had sworn to kill you and everyone you loved had purchased a gun then you saw them walking up your drive way with a hand hidden under their coat... then they refused to obey your warnings to stop and show their hands... would you wait until they had broken into your house to attempt to stop them? If they were armed, it would be too late.

    The fact is there are still WMD's that have never been accounted for. Was Saddam really just a nice guy after all and was telling the truth about not having them or were they more effective in hiding them than we thought they could be?
     
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