Ukrainian parliment ousts embattled president

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  1. thisnumbersdisconnected

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    The people of Ukraine have wrested their democracy from the jaws of socialist-Marxist predators.

    It is time for the people of the United States to do the same!!
     
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    Much has happened in 24 hours, with the protestors at that time being virtually "under siege" by the Yanukovych security forces, but now the tide is flowing 180 degrees the other direction, ans the president has fled the capitol and is hiding in the midst of his eastern Ukraine support base in the city of Kharkiv. Tymoshenko believes the authoritative regime has more tricks up its sleeve, and is urging the protestors to stand their ground and make certain the reforms become reality.
     
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    George Soros and his Open Society Institute sure know how to make things happen don't they?

    In response to the accusations leveled by Aleksandr Yefremov, the Soros Foundation “said in a special statement that all funds allocated for Ukrainian programs are being spent on the development of the open and democratic society and also for helping Ukrainian citizens, who suffered from the effects of the international financial crisis.”

    In January we reported on the cynical attempt by Soros to undermine Ukraine and other nations in the Russian Federation. Soros’ Open Society Institute, now known as Open Society Foundations (OSF), doles out grants to activist NGOs in central Europe and builds upon and continues the work of the Ford Foundation. Since the early 1950s, the CIA has used the Ford Foundation as a funding cover. Soros and a handful of U.S. organizations such as the National Endowment for Democracy destabilize and overthrow governments, tasks formerly accomplished by the CIA.

    The destabilization of the Ukrainian government is part of an ongoing geostrategic move by the globalists to undermine any challenge to their hegemonic designs. Libya suffered the result of what is essentially an order out of chaos plan. A similar plan on Russia’s frontier is now underway.


    Wonder why Fox News never tells the whole story? You'd think with Soros being such a "big liberal" the "conservatives" at Fox would be all over his case about his foundation's part in all this. But no . . . nary a word.

    Makes you wonder doesn't it? No? Well it does me.

    Why would the folks at Fox pass up a hot story that could make Soros look like a chump and a war criminal and instead run stories that only serve to convince conservatives of the need for yet another political and/or military intervention on the Russian border? Occupiers Work for Soros and the EU

    Strange.
     
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    Sleepwalking Again

    So far, in Washington’s attempt at regime change in Ukraine large numbers of Americans are not being killed and maimed. Only Ukrainians are dying, all the better for Washington as the deaths are blamed on the Ukrainian government that the US has targeted for overthrow.

    The problem with Washington’s plot to overthrow the elected government of Ukraine and install its minions is twofold: The chosen US puppets have lost control of the protests to armed radical elements with historical links to nazism, and Russia regards an EU/NATO takeover of Ukraine as a strategic threat to Russian independence.

    Washington overlooked that the financially viable part of today’s Ukraine consists of historical Russian provinces in the east and south that the Soviet leadership merged into Ukraine in order to dilute the fascist elements in western Ukraine that fought for Adolf Hitler against the Soviet Union. It is these ultra-nationalist elements with nazi roots, not Washington’s chosen puppets, who are now in charge of the armed rebellion in Western Ukraine.

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/

    Look What Was Found In Yanukovych's Compound
     
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    Our "president" is a Marxist. Putin is a Marxist. Yanukovych is a Marxist.

    Matthew 12, NASB
    24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons."
    25 And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, "Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand.
    26 "If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?"[/COLOR] ​
    Your reasoning is somewhat shortsighted and erroneous, Poncho.
     
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    Pray for you Baptist brothers and sisters in the Ukraine.
     
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    Let's look at your reasoning for a change.

    For what reason do you view protesters in other countries as being victims of oppression when you view those who protest the government here to be unpatriotic "anti government" types?

    For what reason do you support the overthrow of the Ukrainian government?

    For what reason are you over looking the possibility that this is another Soros (corporate) backed coup?

    For what reason would you be willing to back neo-nazi protesters trying to overthrow their government?

    For what possible reason would you believe that to be a wise choice? Well, nevermind the last two questions. Fox News hasn't seen fit to supply you with that information so how would you know who the protesters really are? After all you only care to know what Fox tells you.

    Here's my reasoning. Marxist or not Obama is a puppet. He's just the target the global elite set up for you to waste all your energy focusing on.

    So what if Putin is a Marxist? I don't live in Russia. I didn't vote for him. The Russian people did. Who am I to tell them they can't elect whomever they choose?

    So what if Yanukovych is a Marxist? I don't live in the Ukraine. I didn't vote for him. The Ukrainian people did. Who am I to tell them that can't elect whomever they choose?

    Who is George Soros to tell the Ukrainians who they should have as their president?

    Who are you tell them who they should have as their president?
     
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    The protestors were seeking a return to the 2004 Constitution in the interim of holding new, free elections and writing a new constitution, and joining the EU, while Yanukovych wanted closer ties (and accepted "financing") from Putin.
    I don't. If the people of Ukraine were happy with their government, fine. But they're not. Again, fine. Let them be self-determining.
    If the democracy-seekers lose, Ukraine, and it's highly productive eastern industries, become part of a neo-Soviet bloc and have no trade ties nor exchange with western countries.
    I reject your characterization of them. Those are the words of Yanukovych and do not accurately reflect the politics of the democratic bloc.
    Again, since I reject your characterization of them, I reject the concept it is a "bad idea" to support them, though my level of support is merely vocal in a very small subset of listeners, so my support is negligible if not non-existent in the overall scheme of things.
    This is where you're wrong. I have a stepson in the Ukraine, a microbiologist who is on an international mission funded by the IMB. I have his first-hand reports of the heavy-handedness of the Yanukovych government, the desire the eastern Ukraine and that government have to realign with Putin's Russia and reject EU membership, and the government's desire to install repressive strictures on individual rights as the 2004 Constitution outlines, it being very similar in structure to the U.S. Constitution. I have knowledge from him of the old-line communists who became industrialists in the east, and who have not only distrust but outright hatred for the west, and particularly entertain a return to the "old ways" under a neo-Soviet Russia, a desire shared by Putin.

    You and your Soros conspiracy are so far off base this time, it is truly laughable. You need to stop reading the crap that comes out of those websites, unless you too are a communist sympathizer who desires the construction of a neo-Soviet model among the old eastern bloc and Russia, in which case, by all means, keep right on reading from those sites. Actually, that scenario is beginning to make a lot of sense given this diatribe against democracy-seeking Ukrainians who want nothing more than the same personal freedoms you daily defend here in America and "warn" us with your multiple bizarro posts that they are being lost. I'm wondering how serious you are about those "defenses" now, too.
    The problem is, he's the puppet we have to deal with. The shadowy Marxists behind him are too well hidden to ferret out. The only way to bring them out, or make them slink away into the woodwork, is to "tear the mask off," i.e., oust the Little Marxist Dictator fronting for them.
    Exactly. So why are you claiming the democracy-seekers are being led by Nazis -- a fallacy invented by Yanukovych and apparently bought into hook, line, and sinker by you -- and have no right to be self-determining?
    I haven't seen any credible evidence he is, and that includes the links you've posted. Those aren't credible. In fact, they read more like shadow sites that are accusing others of doing what the people behind the shadow sites are actually doing. That's an old Soviet trick, too.
    I'm not. Let them decide. It is obvious they don't want Yanukovych. In fact, the Parliament approved an arrest warrant for him today accusing him of mass murder, those being the 82 people killed in last weeks confrontations.

    I think you need to step back and take a deep breathe of fresh air, Poncho. You're irrational on this one. I've got an on-site, unbiased source who tells me you're so far off base you're in the wrong ballpark.
     
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    Now it's Nazis? Sheesh. Gotta add them to the list of conspiracies.

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2087472&postcount=6
     
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    Democracy Murdered By Protest
    Ukraine Falls To Intrigue and violence

    Paul Craig Roberts

    Who’s in charge? Certainly not the bought-and-paid-for-moderates that Washington and the EU hoped to install as the new government of Ukraine. The agreement that the Washington and EU supported opposition concluded with President Yanukovich to end the crisis did not last an hour. Even the former boxing champion, Vitaly Klitschko, who was riding high as an opposition leader until a few hours ago has been booed by the rioters and shoved aside. The newly appointed president by what is perhaps an irrelevant parliament, Oleksandr Turchynov, has no support base among those who overthrew the government. As the BBC reports, “like all of the mainstream opposition politicians, Mr. Turchynov is not entirely trusted or respected by the protesters in Kiev’s Independence Square.”

    In western Ukraine the only organized and armed force is the ultra-nationalist Right Sector. From the way this group’s leaders speak, they assume that they are in charge. One of the group’s leaders, Aleksandr Muzychko, has pledged to fight against “Jews and Russians until I die.” Asserting the Right Sector’s authority over the situation, Muzychko declared that now that the democratically elected government has been overthrown, “there will be order and discipline” or “Right Sector squads will shoot the bastards on the spot.”

    The bastards are any protesters who dare to protest the Right Sector’s control.

    Muzychko declared, “The next president of Ukraine will be from Right Sector.”

    Another Right Sector leader, Dmitry Yarosh, declared: “the Right Sector will not lay down its arms.” He declared the deal made between the opposition and the President to be “unacceptable” and demanded the liquidation of President Yanukovich’s political party.

    The Right Sector’s roots go back to the Ukrainians who fought for Adolf Hitler against the Soviet Union during World War 2. It was the Right Sector that introduced armed fighters and turned the tide of the protests in Kiev from peaceful protests in favor of joining the EU to violent attacks on police with the view of overthrowing the democratically elected government, which the Right Sector succeeded in doing.

    The Right Sector did not overthrow the Ukraine government in order to deliver it into the hands of the Washington and EU paid “opposition.”

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/

    Sources:

    http://rt.com/news/ukraine-right-sector-militants-210/

    http://rt.com/news/war-monument-toppled-ukraine-351/

    http://rt.com/news/ukraine-acting-president-yanukovich-339/

    http://rt.com/news/ukraine-opposition-yanukovich-coup-273/

    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russia-pledges-to-fight-for-crimea-if-ukraine-splits/495034.html

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26312008

    http://www.channel4.com/news/kiev-svoboda-far-right-protests-right-sector-riot-police
     
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    May 1, 2013 (LD) - The National Democratic Institute (NDI) is one of many tentacles descending from the US State Department and its National Endowment for Democracy (NED) front. Despite NED and NDI's lofty mission statements about "promoting democracy worldwide," the interests they represent are clearly those of the Fortune 500, including big-oil, retail, media, banking, and defense. This convergence of corporate-financier interests pervade the US government from the top, via corporate-funded policy think tanks that direct US policy at home and abroad, and out the bottom through corporate-chaired and funded NGOs that oversee the execution of this policy.

    NED, for example includes the following directors:

    William Galston: Brookings Institution (board of trustees can be found on page 35 here).
    Moises Naim: Carnegie Endowment for International Peace (corporate funding here).
    Robert Miller: corporate lawyer.
    Larry Liebenow: US Chamber of Commerce (a chief proponent of SOPA, ACTA, and CISPA), Center for International Private Enterprise (CIPE).
    Anne-Marie Slaughter: US State Department, Council on Foreign Relations (corporate members here), director of Citigroup, McDonald's Corporation, and Political Strategies Advisory Group.
    Richard Gephardt: US Representative, Boeing lobbyist, Goldman Sachs, Visa, Ameren Corp, and Waste Management Inc lobbyist, corporate consultant, consultant & now director of Ford Motor Company, supporter of the military invasion and occupation of Iraq in 2003.
    Marilyn Carlson Nelson: CEO of Carlson, director of Exxon Mobil.
    Stephen Sestanovich: US State Department, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, CFR.
    Judy Shelton: director of Hilton Hotels Corporation & Atlantic Coast Airlines.

    Does Boeing, Goldman Sachs, Exxon, and the SOPA, ACTA, CISPA-sponsoring US Chamber of Commerce care about promoting democracy abroad? Or in expanding their corporate-financier interests under the guise of promoting democracy? Clearly the latter.

    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2013/04/nditech-in-bed-with-cispa-sponsors.html


    Looks like marxists aren't the only ones who use this tactic. Fascists seem to favor it to.

    Who or what is NED? CLICK HERE for the answer.
     
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    Is the U.S. Backing Neo-Nazis in Ukraine?

    By Max Blumenthal

    February 25, 2014 "Information Clearing House -As the Euromaidan protests in the Ukrainian capitol of Kiev culminated this week, displays of open fascism and neo-Nazi extremism became too glaring to ignore. Since demonstrators filled the downtown square to battle Ukrainian riot police and demand the ouster of the corruption-stained, pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovich, it has been filled with far-right streetfighting men pledging to defend their country’s ethnic purity.

    White supremacist banners and Confederate flags were draped inside Kiev’s occupied City Hall, and demonstrators have hoisted Nazi SS and white power symbols over a toppled memorial to V.I. Lenin. After Yanukovich fled his palatial estate by helicopter, EuroMaidan protesters destroyed a memorial to Ukrainians who died battling German occupation during World War II. Sieg heil salutes and the Nazi Wolfsangel symbol have become an increasingly common site in Maidan Square, and neo-Nazi forces have established “autonomous zones” in and around Kiev.

    An Anarchist group called AntiFascist Union Ukraine attempted to join the Euromaidan demonstrations but found it difficult to avoid threats of violence and imprecations from the gangs of neo-Nazis roving the square. “They called the Anarchists things like Jews, blacks, Communists,” one of its members said. “There weren’t even any Communists, that was just an insult.”

    “There are lots of Nationalists here, including Nazis,” the anti-fascist continued. “They came from all over Ukraine, and they make up about 30% of protesters.”

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article37752.htm



     
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    Russia Puts Fighter Jets on Combat Alert as Tensions Mount

    Russian fighter jets along the country’s western border have been put on combat alert as tensions mount over fears that Moscow is preparing to intervene militarily to protect its interests in Ukraine.

    “Constant air patrols are being carried out by fighter jets in the border regions,” Interfax quoted a ministry statement as saying. “From the moment they received the signal to be on high alert, the air force in the western military region left for the … air bases.”

    The news arrives just a day after the United States warned Russia it would be a “grave mistake” to conduct any kind of military intervention in Ukraine following Moscow’s announcement yesterday that a snap drill involving 150,000 troops would take place in western Russia.

    Meanwhile, Ukraine’s interim government has also warned Russia against making military movements in Crimea after armed men seized control of government and parliament buildings in the region. Earlier this week, pro-Russia citizens installed a Russian Mayor in the town of Sevastopol as part of a growing backlash against the western-backed coup.

    Moscow has also announced that it plans a massive expansion of its global military presence with a number of new bases in countries including Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, the Seychelles, and Singapore. The move is significant because Russia only currently has one naval base outside the former Soviet Union – in Tartus, Syria.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/russia-puts-fighter-jets-on-combat-alert-as-tensions-mount.html

    The Grand Chess Board . . .

    Brzezinski sets the tone for his strategy by describing Russia and China as the two most important countries - almost but not quite superpowers - whose interests that might threaten the U.S. in Central Asia. Of the two, Brzezinski considers Russia to be the more serious threat. Both nations border Central Asia. In a lesser context he describes the Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Iran and Kazakhstan as essential "lesser" nations that must be managed by the U.S. as buffers or counterweights to Russian and Chinese moves to control the oil, gas and minerals of the Central Asian Republics (Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and Kyrgyzstan).

    He also notes, quite clearly (p. 53) that any nation that might become predominant in Central Asia would directly threaten the current U.S. control of oil resources in the Persian Gulf. In reading the book it becomes clear why the U.S. had a direct motive for the looting of some $300 billion in Russian assets during the 1990s, destabilizing Russia's currency (1998) and ensuring that a weakened Russia would have to look westward to Europe for economic and political survival, rather than southward to Central Asia. A dependent Russia would lack the military, economic and political clout to exert influence in the region and this weakening of Russia would explain why Russian President Vladimir Putin has been such a willing ally of U.S. efforts to date. (See FTW Vol. IV, No. 1 - March 31, 2001)

    An examination of selected quotes from "The Grand Chessboard," in the context of current events reveals the darker agenda behind military operations that were planned long before September 11th, 2001.

    http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/zbig.html

    The game continues . . .
     
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