Ukrainian Soldier Explains Why He Enjoys Killing Russians

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    In an unusually lengthy video interview with a soldier of the Ukrainian Government, he states why he wants to kill as many residents in the (ethnically Russian) separatist area as possible. This soldier, named Nazar, was interviewed by Ukraine’s Channel 5 TV, the current Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko’s television station until he became President on May 25th. Poroshenko, as Ukraine’s President, no longer owns the station.

    This interview was not aired, because the Ukrainian Government decided that it wasn’t appropriate for their purposes. Among other things, the soldier condemns Poroshenko for not being sufficiently devoted to the killing of Russians. However, this interview ended up being posted to the site liveleak, on December 31st. Here is an excerpt of the transcript:

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/01/ukrainian-soldier-explains-enjoys-killing-russians.html
     
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    It is so hard to imagine why Ukrainians would want to murder Russians....
     
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    The people they are murdering aren't Russians. They're Ukrainians that voted against Washington's coup installed government.

    Their real crime is being anti fascist.

    The coup government, it's eugenicist lackies and our corporate media that will do anything to cover for Obama keep calling the people the coup government is killing Russians so guys like you won't mind Ukraine being ethnically cleansed.

    Seems to be working quite well. So far.

    They still got you fooled.
     
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    What is the difference between fascism and communism? And why does your title mentions Russians but your fine print says that they really aren't Russians? And why wouldn't any normal Ukrainian want to kill Russians?
     
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    The Russians have enslaved them for years....still most Ukis are schooled at Russian schools and the men in the Russian army.
     
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    You already know what communism is and as I have been telling you for years now fascism is government and corporate power merged. Look at our own government. A person would be hard pressed to find policians that aren't beholden to the banks and corporations. Matter of fact it's hard to tell where the banks and corporations end and the government begins.

    Would you be as inclined to sit back and cheer for the deaths of thousands of Ukrainians as you are Russians if the media told you who the people being murdered really are?

    Do you really think "normal" people burn others alive?

    BTW a private banking cartel enslaved us 100 and 1 years ago. Congress blessed them with a monopoly on the creation of money from thin air which it loans to the government at interest. Thus forever making us their "debt slaves". How many wars and interventions would we be willing to support if the government had to raise taxes every time it started another one instead of putting it on the nation's credit card?
     
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    Head of Stratfor, ‘Private CIA’, Says Overthrow of Yanukovych Was ‘The Most Blatant Coup in History’

    In a December 19th interview in the Russian magazine Kommersant, George Friedman, who is the Founder and CEO of Stratfor, the ‘Shadow CIA’ firm, says of the overthrow of Ukraine’s President Viktor Yanukovych that occurred on February 22nd of 2014: “It really was the most blatant coup in history.”

    Perhaps he is saying this because of the videos that were uploaded to the Web which showed it to be so, but this statement by him contradicts the description that is asserted by the U.S. White House and the European Union, and the Western press, which description is that Yanukovych’s overthrow was instead just the result of the U.S. Government’s $5+ billion expense since 1991 to establish ‘democracy’ in Ukraine.

    http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/head-stratfor-private-cia-says-overthrow-yanukovych-blatant-coup-history/

    Like I've been saying from the beginning. The blood shed and chaos in Ukraine isn't a result of any alleged "Russian aggression or invasion" it's a result of a cold blooded Washington backed coup.

    Now you can stop wondering why you can't find any proof to support the "Russian aggression/invasion" conspiracy theory Washington and the corporate media have been peddling CMG.

    You've been neoconned again. The evidence shows Washington and NATO are the aggressors that have created the "crisis" in Ukraine.

    Not the Russians.
     
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    By your definition I can't tell any difference between fascism and communism. As EWF pointed out, there is a long history of Russian enslavement here.
     
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    There's a long history of bloody coups and regime change being carried out by Washington at the behest of it's corporate sponsors to.

    But this history you'd rather forget.

    Evidently you prefer a one sided view of history where America is always the savior and the governments it violently overthrows are always of the devil whether they are democratically elected or not.

    What we have today is "corporate fascism". The corporations own and control the means of production and use the power and proceeds they gain from it to control government.

    How many more Goldman Sachs/Citigroup executives do you need to see holding office in the government before you'll realize that the banks and corporations are the government?

    That's fascism. Government and corporate power merged.


    The Russian Government’s Tass ‘news’ agency is alleging that “The US private military company Academi (formerly known as Blackwater) … has confirmed to the Kiev authorities its readiness to start training an experimental battalion of 550 men as of January at the request of Ukraine’s General Staff,” according to an unnamed source, which source is probably one of the few remaining anti-nazi bureaucrats still remaining in the Ukrainian Government. The reported price of this Blackwater (a.k.a. “Xe,” a.k.a. “Academi”) training contract is $3.5 million.

    Furthermore, “‘Ukraine has said it is ready to pay the money on the condition of assistance from the Ukrainian association Patriot, providing technical and financial support for the project,’ the source said.”

    That organization is Patriot of Ukraine. If this report in Tass is true, then the Ukrainian Government, which now is being funded almost entirely by U.S. taxpayers (inasmuch as it no longer meets the financial requirements of the IMF and EU, both of which receive funding from both U.S. and European taxpayers), and for which the U.S. Congress just passed and the U.S. President just signed into law in December authorization of a $450 million donation, is now co-funding this military training, along with — as wikipedia describes “Patriot of Ukraine” (but with wikipedia’s footnotes removed) —

    a Ukrainian nationalist organization with racist and neo-Nazi political beliefs. It constitutes a paramilitary wing of the Social-National Assembly of Ukraine (S.N.A.), an assemblage of neo-Nazi organizations and groups founded in 2008 that share the social-national ideology and agree upon building a social-national state in Ukraine. Both the “Patriot of Ukraine” and the S.N.A. engage in political violence against minorities and their political opponents. The leader of the “Patriot of Ukraine” and of the Social-National Assembly is Andriy Biletsky.

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2178033&postcount=21

    The S.N.A. derived from “the Social Nationalist Party of Ukraine,” whose name was derived from the National Socialist Party of Germany — the original Nazis. America’s CIA hides its longstanding support of nazis after World War II (see this and this), but the Bushes and Obama have continued it even decades after the Soviet Union and its communism ended. Consequently, in 2004, the Social Nationalist Party of Ukraine was advised by the CIA to, and it did, change its name to the “Freedom Party,” or “Svoboda,” because that sounds better to Americans.


    http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukrainian-nazis-pay-private-military-company-academi-formerly-blackwater-for-training-russian-report/5422667

    In what is becoming a weekly ritual, the German press continues to demolish the US case of "idealistic humaniatrian" Ukraine intervention. Recall, that it was a week ago that German tabloid Bild am Sonntag, hardly the most reputable source but certainly one which reaches the broadest audience, reported that dozens of CIA and FBI agents were "advising the Ukraine government." This conclusion is hardly a stretch and certainly based on facts considering the recent semi-secret jaunt by CIA head Brennan to Kiev. Fast forward one week when overnight the same Bild reported that about 400 elite mercenary commandos of the private US security firm, Academi, f/k/a Xe Services, f/k/a Blackwater "are involved in a punitive operation mounted by Ukraine's new government" against east Ukraine separatists.

    Bild cites sources who report that on April 29, Germany's Federal Intelligence Service (BND) informed the Angela Merkel government about Academi commandos' involvement in Kiev's military operations in eastern Ukraine. Spiegel adds that "the information originates from U.S. intelligence services and was presented during a meeting chaired by the Chancellor's Office chief Peter Altmaier (CDU). At the meeting were present the president of the intelligence agencies and the Federal Criminal Office, as well as the intelligence coordinator of the Chancellor's Office and senior Ministry officials."

    Bild am Sontag did not have information about who was paying the Blackwater commandos: it is well-known they do not come cheap.


    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-11/400-blackwater-mercs-deployed-ukraine-against-separatists-german-press-reports

    Who's paying them? We're paying them.

    You'll just have to excuse me CMG if my choice not to join you in supporting the Ukrainian National Socialist party er, I mean the Social Nationalist party upsets you.
     
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    I think that you have taken Lew Rockwell too seriously. I can't see any difference between communism and fascism.
     
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    I can understand why you're pleading ignorance about this. You consistently condemn one and support the other. If you admitted knowing the difference you'd have to explain why you've been supporting fascists all this time.

    I think you have taken the neocons too seriously.
     
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    No, I think that communism/fascism/nazism are the same thing. You are the only one who thinks that they are different.
     
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    You're really going to keeping playing the part of an ignoramus now aren't you? Wow!

    And all because you fell for Obama's lies. It's okay to make a mistake like jumping into bed with neo nazis as long as you admit it was a mistake. But then I'll understand if you don't. You only wanted to be part of the "let's bash Russia crowd", admit it CMG it made you feel all patriotic and stuff to help spread Obama's lies for awhile. So now you have to play ignorant because it would be too embarrassing to admit that . . . 1, You actually believed Obama could tell the truth. 2, You actually believed the corporate media would expose his lies.
     
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    Obama admires communism--hence his embrace of Castro/Putin/Chavez/Maduro so I don't know what you are talking about. Obama is a liar and an anti-Christ. Someday in another thread you will have to explain the difference between Hitler and Stalin. By the way, did you know that those two had much the same middle-class upbringing and climb to power?

    Read Sir Alan Bullock Hitler and Stalin: Parallel Lives.

    Here is what Barnes and Noble says about the book:

    Forty years after his Hitler: A Study in Tyranny set a standard for scholarship of the Nazi era, Lord Alan Bullock gives readers a breathtakingly accomplished dual biography that places Adolf Hitler's origins, personality, career, and legacy alongside those of Joseph Stalin--his implacable antagonist and moral mirror image.
     
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    No, you're mistaken CMG I will not have to explain the difference between the two men. Although I'm sure you'd love to get me side tracked into another lengthy but meaningless diversion.

    This isn't about Hitler and Stalin. It's about your support of Ukrainian neo nazis and spreading Obama's unfounded accusations against the Russians all the while knowing the man cannot tell the truth about anything.

    I've already explained what "corporate fascism" is. You understand it perfectly well but you have to keep trying to flip the discussion back on me so you can avoid the painful truth.

    You was neoconned again. By a man you already know does not have the truth in him.

    Now about those "corporate powers" that control our government . . .

    Congressional Committee to Investigate Tax-Exempt Foundations / Reece Committee

    The following are some comments on the 1958 412-page Foundations: Their Power and Influence by Rene A. Wormser, which was first published by the Devin-Adair Company of New York (Reprinted Covenant House Books, 1993):[1]

    "In 1952, Congress commissioned the Cox Committee to investigate U.S. foundations. In 1953 it was the Reece Committee, and the author of this book was its general counsel. Wormser concedes that 'the emphasis on a search for organized Communist penetration of foundations absorbed much of the energy of the investigators and detracted somewhat from the efficacy of their general inquiry into subversion.' (page 177). He is more interested in an emerging elite that has control of gigantic financial resources: 'An unparalleled amount of power is concentrated increasingly in the hands of an interlocking and self-perpetuating group. Unlike the power of corporate management, it is unchecked by stockholders; unlike the power of government, it is unchecked by the people; unlike the power of churches, it is unchecked by any firmly established canons of value.' (page viii)[2]

    "Forty years later, it's clear that Wormser's concerns over foundations were not misplaced; they still wield enormous political and cultural power. It's also clear that Congress should have worried more about the U.S. secret state than about Communism. The connections between intelligence elites, and the international programs funded by major foundations such as Carnegie, Ford, and Rockefeller, are quite amazing and deserve their own book."[3]


    Read More At: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tax-exempt_foundations
     
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    You are illogical because you are trying to make distinctions between communism/fascism/nazism where there are none and you additionally claim that Obama is anti-communist when he is pro-communist by education, upbringing, and choice. His first contact at Occident was to tell someone that he was a Marxist.

    I do not support any neo-nazis--more of your false charges that are beneath you. I hate nazis just as much as I have communists. Try logic. By the way, I think that Lew Rockwell is a nut so you are wasting your breath on the corporate fascism thing--you probably sit around Starbucks running your own personal company and renewing your membership in the US Chamber of Commerce if the truth were known.
     
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    Now you're getting down right dishonest CMG. I have never once claimed Obama is anti communist. So that is a false accusation.

    I have claimed on several occasions that he is a corporatist and a pathological lair. Both of which are demonstrably true.

    I hear you saying it but you yourself have proven differently by helping to spread Obama's unfounded accusations. That's a matter of historical record here on Baptist Board. Why, you even tried using one the nazi's favorite propaganda techniques against me several times during the course of one debate we had in the past. I call it the "Goering Argument" other's call it a neocon talking point, other's call it the "Hitler card" and some others call it a legitimate debate tactic.

    It's real name is the "guilt by association" fallacy. You've about wore it out.

    If you hate the nazis then why would you side with their ideological descendants? Oh wait because you don't know what fascism is. That's right.

    Wait for it . . .

    Oops there it is. That's "logic" CMG style. Now y'all know why I don't use CMG's logic. :laugh:

    It's true Lew is a constitutionalist who still believes in our founding principles, the rule of law, free market economy and individual liberty which doesn't make him an authoritarian republican or a warmongering neocon so I can see where you'd think he's a nut.

    Truth be known I drink either Duncan Donuts or Folgers coffee in my home office while designing software for the glass and glazing industry and running an online training course on several software programs designed to operate our automated metal fabrication machinery, which are selling like hotcakes on a cold northeastern morning!

    Our small but growing company is neither a corporation or a member of the chamber of commerce. And, not once have we ever had to secure a bank loan for anything.

    Oh and BTW corporate fascism is not new to America.

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=97489
     
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    As you know, Putin was not born in Russia but in Austria.
     
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    Wow. Christians debate politics. Go figure.
     
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    Look again this isn't a political debate. This is more of a spiritual debate between CMG and I and it has been ongoing for a number of years now. Even with all our little squabbles and taunting each other I still consider CMG to be a good friend.

    Now. more about that question CMG asked me about the difference between communism and fascism.

    Let me ask you a question: (CMG) does it really matter whether a free man is enslaved by a socialist state or a fascist state? Are the prisons any more accommodating? Are the lashes from the whip any less painful? Is the agony of losing a loved one any less grievous? Is the persecution any less revolting? What difference does it make to a free man if his liberties are stolen by an Adolf Hitler or by a Joseph Stalin?

    Do you want a quick reference to the difference between how the Democrats and Republicans in Washington, D.C., are stealing our liberties? When the Democrats control things, America gets more socialism; when the Republicans control things, America gets more corporatism, which is a polite word for fascism. Socialism requires government to own everything, while fascism requires government to control everything. And remember, too, fascists and socialists have always hated each other. Big deal! Fascists and socialists alike hate freedomists, which is why inside-the-beltway Repubs and Dems can’t stand people like Ron Paul, Bob Barr, and yours truly. (Remember the MIAC report identifying the three of us, and our supporters, as being potential “dangerous militia” members?) So who cares which of these two parties happens to be in power? Our freedoms continue to be under siege. That’s why the battle in Washington politics has nothing to do with preserving freedom, but everything to do with HOW government will take freedom. Will they take it by ownership or by control? And, unfortunately, what we have right now is the worst of both worlds: government is using a combination of both ownership and control to steal our liberties. Why? Because except for a very precious few elected civil magistrates (like Congressman Ron Paul), there is no one on Capitol Hill or the White House who remotely understands – or fights for – the principles of liberty.

    Even worse is that when the Donkeys and the Elephants do agree, it almost always is in an effort to point the bayonets at the American citizenry. What does it matter whether government owns it or controls it? What does it matter whether it more resembles socialism of corporatism? What it doesn’t look anything like, is FREEDOM!


    http://archive.lewrockwell.com/baldwin/baldwin14.1.html
     
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