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Featured Ukrainian Soldier Explains Why He Enjoys Killing Russians

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    Making Sense of Obama’s Foreign Policy

    The great John Pilger has provided the best summary description of the horrific and intentional catastrophe that Obama and Clinton perpetrated upon the Libyan people. For example: “In 2011, Nato launched 9,700 ‘strike sorties’ against Libya, of which more than a third were aimed at civilian targets. Uranium warheads were used; the cities of Misurata and Sirte were carpet-bombed. The Red Cross identified mass graves, and Unicef reported that ‘most [of the children killed] were under the age of ten’.” These were international war-crimes, which will never be prosecuted. Hillary Clinton expressed merry pride regarding what she and Obama did in killing Gaddafi, no matter how many people’s lives were destroyed in the process. There is no ‘kindly’ interpretation of that.

    Obama was, in fact, knocking out a Russian ally by means of this Libyan operation. He succeeded at his objective there. He knew where he was going, and he achieved that goal.

    I have elsewhere documented the case that Obama’s operation in Syria is directed against Russia — that the goal there is anti-Russian regime-change for Syria, like the Libyan operation was anti-Russian regime-change for Libya, and like the Ukrainian operation (the coup there in February 2014) was anti-Russian regime-change for Ukraine.

    All of this follows on George W. Bush’s success at anti-Russian regime-change in Iraq in 2003. He killed Saddam Hussein there, who had been another Russian ally.

    Similarly, Bill Clinton succeeded at anti-Russian regime-change in Yugoslavia, via the Bosnian War, by bombing Serbs there, who had always been the core of Yugoslavia’s pro-Russian tilt. Croatia and Slovenia are now full NATO members.

    All of these operations pretended to be “humanitarian,” and Barack Obama is so skilled at the rhetoric of humanitarianism and peacemaking, that he actually won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize for that rhetoric; it’s definitely world-class deception.

    Read More At: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/making-sense-obamas-foreign-policy.html

    The Kiev Snipers: Everyone Agrees That They Fired On BOTH SIDES

    Sniper Attacks As False Flag Terror

    Random shootings are a type of false flag terror …

    For example, in 1985 – as part of the “Gladio” (11-21) false flag operations – snipers attacked and shot shoppers in supermarkets randomly in Brabant county, Belgium killing twenty-eight and leaving many wounded.

    Both Sides?

    Additionally, shooting both sides is a tip off that it may be a false flag.

    Specifically, when authoritarian regimes want to break up protests, they might shoot protesters.

    Likewise, when violent protesters shoot government employees, they might be trying to overthrow the government.

    But when secretive snipers kill both protesters and the police, it is an indication of a “false flag” attacks meant to sow chaos, anger, disgust and a lack of legitimacy.

    This has happened many times over the years. For example: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/kiev-snipers-everyone-agrees-fired-sides.html
     
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    China warns u.s. To stop its ukrainian proxy war against russia

    Obama pretends to be a democrat, not a fascist

    A much-ignored huge news report from Reuters on Friday, February 27th, was headlined “Chinese diplomat tells West to consider Russia’s security concerns over Ukraine.”

    China’s Ambassador to Belgium (which has the capital of the EU) said that the “nature and root cause” of the Ukrainian conflict is “the West,” and that “The West should abandon the zero-sum mentality, and take the real security concerns of Russia into consideration.”

    By “real security concerns,” he is clearly referring to NATO’s expansion right up to Russia’s border, and America’s surrounding Russia with U.S. military bases, now inceasingly including the most strategic of Russia’s bordering countries: Ukraine.

    In other words, this diplomat says: “the West” has a “zero-sum” attitude toward Russia, instead of seeking to move forward with an approach in which neither side among the nuclear superpowers benefits at the other’s expense — the entire world moves forward together.

    This is a direct criticism of Barack Obama, and of all of the pro-Obama, anti-Putin, EU leaders.

    It’s also an implicit repudiation of Obama’s having repeatedly referred to the U.S. as “the one indispensable nation.” (Another example of that phrase is here.) Obama keeps saying: every other nation, except the U.S., is “dispensable.” He clearly thinks that Russia is.

    That’s not merely an insult: it’s an act of provocation; it is virtually asking for a fight. And all for what? For whose nuclear char?

    This criticism of the aggressive nationalist Obama does not come from China’s top leadership, but it would not have come at all if they had not approved of it in advance.

    China thus now tells Obama: Stop it. Stop it in word, and in deed.

    Read More At: http://www.infowars.com/china-warns-u-s-to-stop-its-ukrainian-proxy-war-against-russia/

    Ukraine unofficially has 272 percent inflation

    Ukraine's currency has fallen 70 percent since the start of 2014, and that's pushed it into hyperinflation.

    Hyperinflation is always and everywhere a political phenomenon.

    It happens after wars or revolutions, when governments have to print the money they need because there's not much of an economy left to tax—which brings us to Ukraine. It had a revolution, it has a war now, and it's all but broke. Inflation is officially 28.5 percent, but, according to Johns Hopkins professor Steve Hanke, it's really more like 272 percent. And that's only going to get worse as long as Ukraine's currency does.

    Read More At: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/03/01/ukraine-unofficially-has-272-percent-inflation/
     
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    You mean there is a difference?
     
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    Not really. It's about the same for republicans and democrats. It's just that "conservatives" like fascism better when there's a "republican" in the WH.
     
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    I am continually amazed by your ability to make brilliant deductions, or is it inductions? Perhaps I should write that to say: I am continually amazed at your brilliance in deductive reasoning, or is it inductive reasoning. Which ever, your brilliance stands alone on this BB!
     
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    There's no special power of reasoning or deduction involved. It's just a matter of looking at all the evidence, comparing it to the corporate narrative and coming to the only conclusion possible.

    Washington tells lies, the corporate media spreads them without question and you believe them without question because questioning what the corporate media says (unless it says something that supports of a demcrat) is unthinkable.

    So what there's not a shred of hard evidence to support what they say? It must be true because they keep saying it over and over and everyone else believes it.

    Well, everyone that refuses to look at all the evidence that is.
     
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    The World’s Great Newspaper Reports on Ukraine

    Eric Zuesse

    Here are summaries (translated by me into English) of the latest news-reports on Ukraine, in Deutsche Wirtschafts Nachrichten, or German Economic News. (Click on the following link to see each of these news reports in full. If you use the Chrome browser, it will automatically translate everything into English.)

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/03/worlds-great-newspaper-reports-ukraine.html

    US Senator McCain: No matter who shot Nemtsov, Vladimir Putin is to blame

    US Senator John McCain has assigned to Putin the blame for the murder of Boris Nemtsov. But his statement remains remarkably vague. Apparently McCain, one of the most prominent opponents of Russia, wants to make political capital out of a crime that could just as well turn out as a private criminal case.

    German Economic News | 03.02.15, 01:48 | 36 comments
     
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    The ‘Democrat’ Brzezinski Says Russia’s Putin Wants to Invade NATO

    Zbigniew Brzezinski, U.S. President Obama’s friend and advisor on Russia, is a born Polish aristocrat who has hated Russia his whole life but who hid that hatred until after the communist Soviet Union collapsed and he then publicly came out as hating and fearing specifically Russia — the nation, its people, and their culture. In 1998, he wrote The Grand Chessboard, arguing for an unchallengeable U.S. empire over the whole world, and for the defeat of Russia as the prerequisite to enabling that stand-alone global American empire to reign over the planet.

    He now has told the U.S. Congress (on February 6th but not reported until March 6th, when the German Economic News found the clip) that Russia’s leader Vladimir Putin “seized” Crimea and that Putin will probably try to do the same to Estonia and Latvia, unless the U.S. immediately supplies weapons and troops to those countries and to Ukraine.

    < snip >

    The most serious falsehoods in his remarkable testimony are three, and they’ll be taken up here in succession:

    Continue . . . http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/03/democrat-brzezinski-says-russias-putin-wants-invade-nato.html
     
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    On January 7th, Britain’s Guardian, which used to be a fine newspaper but isn’t now, started what will necessarily be a long road back to reality, after nearly a year of their intermittent inattention and Western propaganda on Ukraine — finally realistically reporting the war there as being what it is and always was: an attempt by the post-coup Ukrainian Government to destroy the area in Ukraine where the residents had voted 90% for the Ukrainian President who was overthrown in the February 2014 coup.

    Read More At: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-guardian-finally-starts-to-report-the-truth-about-ukraines-war/5423642
     
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    It has been just over a year of growing and escalating crisis in Europe since the Maidan Square protests in Kiev succeeded in toppling Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych in February 2014.

    Those protests, which people in eastern Ukraine consider to have been the basis of a coup that brought down their government and thus trampled over their rights, were openly and materially supported by the West. It saw the likes of US Senator John McCain – a man whose quest for a new Vietnam War never ends – travelling to the country to personally urge on the demonstrators in Kiev alongside Britain’s Catherine Ashton, representing the EU.

    With this in mind, just imagine the reaction if Russian politicians had travelled to Mexico to urge on an anti-US protest movement to topple the elected government there and replace it with a pro-Russian alternative. And imagine too that at the head of this movement to topple said government were avowed neo-Nazis and fascists. Imagine what the reaction of the United States would have been then.

    Then we have the open admission by the US State Department’s Victoria Nuland, another visitor to Maidan Square during the protests, that the US had ‘invested’ $5billion dollars to help secure Ukraine’s ‘democratic future’ since 1991, combined with the staggering contents of a taped telephone conversation she conducted in early February 2014 with the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, during which they discuss whom they would like to see ‘appointed’ the new Ukrainian president, anticipating Yanukovych’s imminent demise.

    Is there anybody who seriously believes, given the aforementioned, that the US and its European allies were not engaged in a nefarious attempt to destabilize and undermine an elected government?

    Continue . . . http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/03/06/the-enemy-is-not-russia-or-putin/
     
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    Germany Has Had Enough With US Neocons

    While Russia's envoy to NATO notes that statements by the deputy head of NATO testify to the fact that the leaders of the bloc want to intervene in Russia’s internal politics, and are "dreaming of Russian Maidan," Washington has a bigger problem... Germany. As Der Spiegel reports, while US President Obama 'supports' Chancellor Merkel's efforts at finding a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine crisis, hawks in Washington seem determined to torpedo Berlin's approach. And NATO's top commander in Europe hasn't been helping either with sources in the Chancellery have referred to Breedlove's comments as "dangerous propaganda."

    This is the view of Russia’s permanent envoy to NATO:

    “The speech in Riga demonstrates the concern about Russia’s democracy and internal policy. At last, now we know that NATO has a dream, and this dream is a Maidan in Russia,” Aleksandr Grushko said in comment that was tweeted through the Russian representation office in the alliance.

    Grushko referred to the words of NATO's deputy secretary general, Alexander Vershbow, who had told a conference in the Latvian capital Riga that President Vladimir Putin's "aim seems to be to turn Ukraine into a failed state and to suppress and discredit alternative voices in Russia, so as to prevent a Russian 'Maidan.'" Both officials used the Ukrainian word ‘Maidan’ to describe a string of protest actions that eventually turned into mass unrest and the ousting of the legally elected president and parliament.

    And as Der Spiegel reports, The Germans are not happy.

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    But it is the tone of Breedlove's announcements that makes Berlin uneasy. False claims and exaggerated accounts, warned a top German official during a recent meeting on Ukraine, have put NATO -- and by extension, the entire West -- in danger of losing its credibility.

    Read More At: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-07/whos-isolated-now-germany-warns-washington-over-nato-commanders-dangerous-propaganda
     
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    Russian War Aggression in Ukraine? It’s a Fiction

    All sorts of officials accuse Russia of aggression in Ukraine. Is this true? It is not. It is fiction. It is a big lie. It is a specious claim, an absurd claim, a ridiculous claim, an unreal claim. Russia and Russians have been involved in certain respects in Ukraine, but by no sensible stretch of the imagination can such involvements be termed aggression. If there were an actual war aggression, it could not be hidden because the scope of a typical war aggression is very large. The photographic evidence for it would be overwhelming. No such evidence has been provided by Russia’s accusers. Even more importantly, it would have to be shown that the attack was an unprovoked offensive attack, and not a defensive operation. This too has not been proven by Russia’s accusers.

    My concern here is the fiction being propagated. It borders on madness. It plays into the hands of the worst kinds of warmongers. It blinds everyone concerned. It is irrational. It establishes an aura of public lies and myths that results in great mischief and worse. It is producing awful results that can become far worse. The lie happens to revolve around demonizing Russia but my purpose is not to choose sides in the Ukrainian-Russian problems but to keep the U.S. out of the matter. It is to defang the lie.

    What do actual war aggressions look like? Below are some notable examples.

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/russian-war-aggression-in-ukraine-its-a-fiction/

    NATO's Not Enough! President Juncker Calls For Creation Of European Army To "React Credibly" To Russia

    No lessor official than European Commission President (and liar-when-it's-serious) Jean-Claude Juncker has called for the creation of an EU army... in order to show Russia "that [The EU is] serious about defending European values." Juncker explained an EU army would "help us fulfil Europe's responsibilities in the world," arguing that NATO was not enough since not all EU members are part of the alliance. As one stunned euro-skeptic exclaimed, "we have all seen the utter mess the EU has made of the economy, so how can we even think of trusting them with its defence."

    Continue . . . http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-08/natos-not-enough-president-juncker-calls-creation-eu-army-react-credibly-russia
     
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    The US plan to train Ukrainian national guard troops is put “on hold” pending implementation of Minsk accords in Ukraine. U.S. Army Europe Commanding General Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges said Washington was keen to see a ceasefire deal signed in Minsk between Kiev and pro-Russian resistance movement implemented. “We are prepared to conduct training at the request of the Ukrainian government. But my government is obviously anxious to see the Minsk ceasefire agreement fulfilled and has put on hold this training mission,” Hodges told the Anadolu Agency in an exclusive interview on March 3. (1)

    The U.S. was planning to train three Ukrainian battalions this month. A paratrooper battalion assigned to the 173rd Airborne Brigade Combat Team in Vicenza, northeast Italy, has already been readied for the deployment. The training mission was first announced in August last year and had been due to start this March. One battalion of U.S. soldiers is due to train three Ukrainian National Guard battalions. Pentagon press secretary Rear Adm. John Kirby said the training would take place inside Ukraine at an international peacekeeping and security center. “It’s an area where we do multilateral exercises. It’s an area that we’re familiar with,” said Kirby. The instructors were to move to the Yavoriv Training Area near the city of L’viv — which is about 40 miles from the Polish border.

    On March 6, a spokesman for U.S. forces in Europe confirmed the delay in a statement and said: “The U.S. government would like to see the Minsk agreement fulfilled.”

    Read More At: http://www.globalresearch.ca/facing-options-under-mounting-pressure-us-at-crossroads-on-ukraine/5435437
     
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    Mission Imperative: Why the West and Kiev Regime Must Kill the Truth

    The detention, incommunicado, of two female Russian journalists over the weekend by Kiev’s secret police, the SBU, was said to be on the grounds of «national security». That admission by the Kiev authorities, ironically, reveals more than is intended. Journalists «armed» only with cameras threatening national security, you may ask? Yes, you better believe it – because any truth being reported about the nature of the Western-backed Kiev regime and its military onslaught in eastern Ukraine is indeed a very real «security threat» – the threat of being exposed for war crimes and unlawful aggression towards Russia. The legal consequences for the Kiev regime and its Western patrons would be devastating.

    The two journalists were named as correspondent Elizaveta Khramtsova and photographer Natalia Kalysheva, who both work for LifeNews based in Moscow. The media outlet’s director Markian Lubkovsky reportedly said he only found out about the detention of his staff after one of them managed to make a hurried phone call before they were «disappeared». Their whereabouts was not known even after several hours from them having been taken into detention. That amounts to abduction and is a grave abuse of international law. Russia’s foreign ministry has demanded that the pair be released immediately. The Kiev-based SBU reportedly would only confirm that the two women will be «expelled in the near future» and that they would be denied future entry into Ukraine.

    Continue . . . http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2015/02/02/mission-imperative-why-west-and-kiev-regime-must-kill-truth.html

    Berlin Rumbles Washington’s Hidden War Agenda

    Washington’s reckless attempts to scuttle the shaky ceasefire in Ukraine are unnerving Germany. The German government feels, with good reason, that the Americans are trying to undermine its recent efforts to mediate a political solution to the nearly year-old conflict, which has caused at least 6,000 deaths and up to one million refugees. Not only that but the violence between the ultranationalist regime in Kiev and the pro-Russian separatists in the east is threatening to spillover into a wider war that could involve Russia and the rest of Europe.

    According to a report this past week in Der Spiegel, Berlin is increasingly alarmed at continuing bellicose statements by American supreme commander of NATO, General Philip Breedlove. The German publication notes that «hawks in Washington seem determined to torpedo Berlin’s [diplomatic] approach» over the Ukraine conflict.

    Berlin has also lately adopted the view that General Breedlove and US State Department official Victoria Nuland are «working hand-in-hand» to undermine the Minsk ceasefire. That ceasefire was brokered on February 12 after marathon negotiations led by Russian President Vladimir Putin, along with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande. While the truce has so far been breached on numerous occasions, it nevertheless appears to be largely holding. The widespread violence and shelling of civilian centres by Kiev’s forces have substantially halted. So, as EU foreign policy chief Frederica Morgherini noted this week at a summit in Riga, Latvia, progress is being made, albeit far from perfectly.

    Continue . . . http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2015/03/09/berlin-rumbles-washington-hidden-war-agenda.html
     
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    No U.S. Lethal Aid to Kiev

    If the U.S. government is so foolish as to send so-called “lethal aid” to Ukraine, an act that Putin regards as an act of war that calls for countermeasures, what sort of government will the U.S. be supporting? What military escalations will occur? What sort of political situation will the U.S. be entering? What sort of extended warfare against eastern Ukraine will the U.S. be supporting? How many more killed, wounded and displaced will government bombardments of civilian populations produce? What sort of long-term entanglements with Ukraine will result? What sort of financial obligations will such support entail for this essentially bankrupt and heavily-mortgaged nation? The prognosis in answer to any one of these questions is terrible, but this engagement is what the neocons want in their insane quest for global hegemony.

    Ukraine government and fighting forces both are larded with strong neo-nazi elements. I call attention to only one of the aspects of the Ukraine that the U.S. is supporting and may increase its support of. See this article by Roger Annis. He writes

    “Across Ukraine today, free expression is severely curtained. The extreme right conducts vigilante attacks against public expressions of concern about the war or the disastrous state of Ukraine’s economy and national finances. The rightists are at the forefront of advocating draconian laws and pushing them through the Rada. Newspaper and television stations have already been closed or attacked. New laws would allow the government to control internet publishing and monitor electronic communication more closely. A law currently before the Rada would authorize lengthy jailing of those protesting the government’s war in the east or its economic policies. Several prominent journalists have been jailed in Ukraine, even before the adoption of any new laws.”

    What he says is backed up by a report today:

    Continue . . . https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/no-u-s-lethal-aid-to-kiev/

    The neocon notion that Russia is on the march to conquer the Baltic states is unsupported by any intelligence or other evidence. Russia’s annexation of Crimea resulted from a unique set of circumstances, including the U.S.-backed overthrow of the elected Ukrainian president and a popular referendum in Crimea seeking membership in the Russian Federation. It is nutty to suggest that it was some template for a grander “Russian imperialism.”

    Indeed, Kagan is not only spinning conspiracy fantasies but – as often is the case with neocons – he is promoting schemes that could facilitate the outcome that he professes to abhor. Possibly the fastest way for the United States to lose its leadership role in the world is through overextension of its global power and overspending on its military might.

    The more that Kagan and other neocons push for U.S. suppression of any imaginable threat to U.S. supremacy the more certain it is that America will slide into a precipitous decline – and the more dangerous that collapse may be both for Americans and the rest of the world.


    https://consortiumnews.com/2014/06/23/obamas-true-foreign-policy-weakness/
     
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    Fox ‘News’ ‘Expert’ Says We Must “Start Killing Russians.” I Disagree.

    On this video from Fox ‘News':

    At 3:30, Lou Dobbs asks the Fox Noise military analyst: “What do you expect” in Ukraine?

    At 3:35 he answers: “In the Ukraine, the only way that the United States can have any effect in this region and turn the tide is to start killing Russians … killing so many Russians that even Putin’s media can’t hide the fact that Russians are returning to the motherland in body bags.”

    Well, anyway, there is a Republican ‘news’ operation: “Start killing Russians.” They hate Russians so much the hate practically bleeds from them, even in public. Democratic Party ‘news’ operatives are so much more subtle about it, such as “A military solution to this problem is not going to be forthcoming.” But they too demonize Russians and portray Putin as the super-demon. They’re just more subtle about their war-mongering and promotion of the international aristocracy, than Republicans are.

    What the Fox ‘expert’ was specifically promoting there, to “Kill Russians,” is actually what the regime that Obama imposed upon Ukraine had been installed in order to do. And, so, immediately when they took power in late February of 2014, they demonized ethnic Russians and threatened to kill all Russians. They then intensively bombed the ethnic Russian region of Ukraine, as a starter to get rid of Russians and pro-Russians everywhere.

    However, Fox’s ‘expert’ was suggesting to kill Russian troops inside Ukraine, which wouldn’t have been quite as heartless as what the Obama-coup-regime in Ukraine is actually doing (and which Fox and all of U.S. TV ignore): slaughtering the residents in the conflict-zone. The only snafu with that idea of killing Russian troops in the conflict-zone is: they aren’t there. The few Russian soldiers that actually had been in the conflict-zone, briefly, back in August of 2014, soon left and are no longer there. On 29 January 2015, Ukraine’s top general admitted, “No Russian Troops Are Fighting Against Us,” though mercenaries and/or volunteer fighters from many countries (including from the U.S.) were fighting on both sides (America’s were mercenaries, fighting for the Ukrainian Government). So: Fox’s ‘information’ was six months out-of-date, and had been valid only seven months ago, and for less than a month even then. That’s the trash that Fox Noise puts forth, but it’s really not much worse than CNN etc. American national ‘news’ media are virtually all propaganda-media.

    Read More At: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/03/fox-news-expert-says-must-start-killing-russians-disagree.html
     
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    Finally figured out who the Ukraine soldier is. He is a sniper killing Russians to protect his buddies just like the American sniper in Iraq. But no good deed goes unpunished. Poncho has been berating the poor guy for nigh on to 2 weeks now. Lay off the poor guy a while ponch. I spect he is all wore out, you an one side and them blamed Ruskies on tother side!
     
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    OR's doublespeak translated into plain English . . .

    "My magical musical monkey and I can find no proof to back up what we say so we have to ridicule Poncho in the hope other readers are as uniformed and easily deceived as we are."

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    German, European Govs: America’s “Dangerous Propaganda”, Military Aid Harming Ukraine Peace Process

    McClatchy reports that German government officials have “recently referred to U.S. statements of Russian involvement in the Ukraine fighting as ‘dangerous propaganda'”. In light of US propaganda and military support for Kiev, Germany even asked outright whether “the Americans want to sabotage the European mediation attempts in Ukraine led by Chancellor Merkel?”

    While there is agreement in the West that Russia does support the Ukrainian democrats whose elected leader was violently overthrown with US and European support (the US supports numerous groups, including anti-Semitic neo-Nazis and Islamic extremists, around the world, in addition to illegal US invasions), Germany and other European governments say US officials such as US Gen. Breedlove and Obama’s asst. sec. state for Europe, the notorious Victoria Nuland, “have been exaggerating the extent of Russian involvement in the conflict.”

    Breedlove, for instance, is issuing untrue statements – lies – for the purpose of “playing to” – propagandizing – “an American audience”, which European officials say “doesn’t advance peace efforts”, another polite way of saying it conspicuously impedes them.

    Since being caught red-handed and forced to address the issue of their “exaggerated claims” about Russia’s involvement in doing something the US does continually, a US official responded anonymously and changed the US tune, trying now to shift focus away from the exact numbers, about which the US was previously so adamant.

    Ukrainian officials have made similar claims, on scores of occasions announcing an all out Russian military “invasion” of Ukraine.

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/03/german-european-govs-americas-dangerous-propaganda-military-aid-harming-ukraine-peace-process.html

    The one thing missing from Washington, the corporate media, Kiev and OR's ceaseless allegations is evidence to support them.
     
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  19. OldRegular

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    There goes Poncho and Mr. Blog again! Meaningless drivel!
     
  20. Revmitchell

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    Honestly I do not get his defense of Russia in spite of all truth which is so obvious to the rest of the world. It is quite odd.
     
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