"Ulster's answer is 'No!'" (What was the question?)

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  1. Matt Black

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    Paisley has done it again. The current chance Northern Ireland has to get devolved government up and running again has been scuppered by 'Dr No' refusing to sit with the Sinn Fein MLAs. Sorry, Ian, but they've been democratically elected to the Assembly as much as you have; deal with it, and get it through your head that 'No' isn't the answer, it's the problem.

    Story here
     
  2. The Galatian

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    At least they're yelling at each other, instead of shooting at each other.

    Thank God.
     
  3. Matt Black

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    Yes, but often the shooting follows the yelling :(
     
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    “It has been made clear, even by the Conservative Party, that it would be completely outrageous to have people in government in any part of the United Kingdom who were not prepared to encourage their followers to support, join or give information to the police on matters of serious crime. 

    The DUP remains resolute in its desire for devolution and progress but it remains equally resolute in its pursuit of democracy which is not corrupted by criminality or paramilitarism.”

    Diane Dodds, DUP, MLA

    Paisle is right not to share power with Sinn Fein IRA. Why should Ulster politicians be required to do what the politicians in the Irish Republic will not do. If it is right for Paisley to share power with Adams & Co, then it is right to engage with Hamas, Al Queda etc.
     
  5. Matt Black

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    ...except that the people of Ulster voted for Sinn Fein as much as they voted for the DUP; Adams and McGuinness are democratically-elected MLAs as much as Paisley and Robinson.

    And, at some point in any peace process, it is necessary to sit down with the former terrorists if one is to make a lasting peace; that is the lesson of, amongst other places, South Africa
     
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    ...except Paisley was elected on a mandate of not speaking with Sinn Fein until the IRA war machine and organisation was verifiably dismantled. "He makes no secret of his belief that Gerry Adams and Sinn Fein aren't fit for government because of their links to the terrorism and criminality of the IRA." (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/5006032.stm) At present he is proving to be a man of his word, a refreshing character trait in the present political climate of parliamentary rent boy users, liars, and adulterers who will grasp at or cling to power whatever the cost . Paisley is doing exactly what he was elected to do.

    He does not deny Sinn Fein the right to sit in the assembly, he simply denies them the right to govern as as his political partners until they remove the armalite from politics forever.

    The truth is the D'Hondt system is a denial of democracy which allows minor parties a major role in governance. If the system were truly democratic Paisley would now be First Minister without reference to Sinn Fein.

    He is, on this occasion, principled, not pragmatic. He should be congratulated, not criticised.
     
  7. Matt Black

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    Dr No can't shout 'no' forever...particularly in the light of IRA disarmament - which of course he refuses to accept :rolleyes:
     
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    How do you know there was disarmament? Can you prove it? Are we to believe "Tony's Cronies"? Why can't we have photographic evidence? The Provos had no problem videoing their "soldiers" carting rocket launchers around the Irish countryside - so why can't we see where the weapons are now?

    Are you going to believe murderers? If a man would be willing to kill you, why wouldn't he lie to you?

    Its not true "the people of Ulster voted for Sinn Fein as much as they voted for the DUP". They voted for the DUP more. So why can't the democratic wish of the majority be admitted?

    I think you underestimate the spirit of the Ulsterman, if you think he won't say "no" for as long as it takes.
     
  9. Matt Black

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    How do you know there wasn't disarmament? We're back to trying to prove a negative. Even if photos were produced, Paisley would insist on Adams and McGuinness crawling naked from Londonderry to Belfast with their bottoms painted blue.

    As to 'democratic wishes', don't forget we're talking about both communities here (a fact recognised by the Good Friday Agreement which the majority of all Ulster's peoples voted for) and the majority of the Catholic population voted for Sinn Fein, so you can't ignore their democratic wishes.

    Saying 'no' for as long as it takes is part of the reason we got into this mess in 1968-9 in the first place...
     
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    Why do would you prefer to believe the word of murdering scum than a Christian minster? Why do you want to slander a man of God?

    The Good Friday agreement is history - if they were to lay it before the people of Ulster today I guarantee you they wouldn't get a yes vote. The people were duped by Blair's lies. It has been concession after concession to the Provos.

    Saying "no" was not the reason for 68-69. Yes there were abuses of the political system, and yes there was discrimination, but those wrongs were righted 30 years ago. The IRA had no justification for their slaughter of innocent, (and often Christian) men, women and children.

    If it were not for the spineless response of successive British governments to Irish terrorism the whole war could have been ended a long time ago.

    BTW I think you haven't got a clue what the DUP believe, except for what Pravda (BBC) and the liberal press want you to know. I suggest you have a look at their proposals for resolving the conflict, they don't involve anyone crawling naked, but insist that:

    Decommissioning had to be -
    • Complete
    • Time-tabled
    • Verifiable
    • Transparent
    • Witnessed
    • Photographed

    The DUP insists that the witnesses must not be inhibited in viewing the decommissioning events and a series of photographs had to be taken to demonstrate what had occurred. The witnesses should validate the photographs and the photographs should aid the witnesses.

    Paramilitary & criminal activity had to be -
    • Stopped completely and irreversibly
    • Assessed over time to have ended
    • Breaches punished by other parties moving on
    • These “Entry Conditions” had to be met PRIOR to entry.

    What's wrong with that?
     

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