Unam Sanctam--only Catholics go to Heaven

Wrong…

With the exception of the past 3 years, I’ve been a fundamental Baptist and you better believe that when we went door knocking and by chance a person was saved, we were taught to encourage him or her to attend a “good bible believing fundamental Baptist Church” Not the corner “Christian” Church with a broadway production or a Church of Christ or an Assemblies of God…ect.

Why? Because I was taught as a fundy, that our Church was the Church traceable to Christ and His Apostles, all other Churches were false and needed to hear the Gospel and that included other Protestant Churches, b/c as a Fundy, we weren’t “Protestant”, we were the “true Church”, therefore for one to be saved, “the right way”, they needed to attend a Fundamental Baptist Church…

Now that I left the fundamental Baptist Church, my parents think that I am now lost…no joke, it’s sad…

 

Nicely put Mike.


Jamie

 

So you’re going to wait for others to verify the quote and take their word for it? Why not do your own research and from legitimate sources that aren’t biased and have an agenda? As you said in an earlier post you wanted to represent the Catholic Church accurately, then why not.

Are you afraid that you may be shocked to find that what you taught or once believed is a lie? You should be…I was shocked…and ashamed, after how I talked to Catholics and much less anyone that wasn’t a fundy and believed exactly as I…

Have you studied early Church history on your on and verified this statment?

 

Agnus Dei,

Well, that certainly isnt the norm in the evangelical/charismatic world, and you would probably acknowledge that it isnt.

Grace and peace,

Mike

 

I find it offensive that Fundies consistently call the Catholic Church apostate and a whore.

And I'm not Catholic.

 

Given some of the jokes you've said about baptists, I'd say you got some nerve being offended.

However, the term "fundy" isn't all that offensive, to me. So I can see why you posted that. Good day to ya, TP.

 

I don't live in America, but I have traveled through more than two thirds of its states. I have noticed than in some of its cities there seems to be a Baptist church on almost every block, thus resulting in a lot of competition. Perhaps that was the case where you were. I don't know. You obviously didn't have a good experience for one reason or another.
But what you have done is mis-characterized Baptist churches based on your one experience, and not on truth. Now look at truth. Do Baptists claim that there were those that believed the same way that they believed in every age right down to the time of the Apostles though they may have been called by different names? Yes they believe that? Can you point to a definite founder of the Baptists? No you cannot. Can we point to a definite time and starting place of the Catholic Church? Yes. It was at the beginning of the fourth century during the time of Constantine--whether you want to admit it or not.

Concerning evangelization: Do Catholics evangelize with the goal in mind of converting someone to the RCC. Absolutely. Their goal is not the salvation of their soul Their goal is to get them into the RCC. They don't even know what it means to be "born again," and I don't think you know what it means either.

Concerning evangleization: Does a Baptist try to get them into a Baptist church. No. that is not his first and foremost concern. It is the preaching of the gospel--trying to lead him to a knowledge of Christ that he might be saved. Salvation is pre-eminent. Second to that, is to get that person into a Bible-believing church. It only makes sense if you are representing your church to invite him there. But there are many occasions where that person may live in another part of the city where our church is out of the way--too far for him to come. So we recommend him to another church in that area, as long as it is a Bible-believing church that preaches faithfully the Word of God. Never would we recommend him to an apostate organization such as the RCC. Billy Graham does that, but we would not. And that is the difference. There is no need to misalign us based on your one bad experience.

 

The poorest area of the U.S. in almost every way is the southern part. It is also the same area where there are the most Baptists.

So what is your point?

 

Stealing people is the same as stealing.

Exodus 20:15 "You shall not steal."

 

Hiya Church Mouse guy,

Thanks for posting the information. In reading over this thread and doing some searching, I have found this concerning this thread.

LINK

It was an interesting read. Living up here in New England, there are a lot of Catholic churches around, and the more I read and hear about them, the more I am glad I am a protestant believer.

Jamie

 

One may look at it this way using both the Bible and RCC theology.
The Bible says:
John 3:3 "Except a man be born again he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God?"

Ask Agnus or any Catholic for that matter, "What does it mean to be born again?"

Their catechism teaches that to be born again means to be baptized.
It specifically refers to the baptism of the RCC.

Thus to be born again one must be a member of the RCC.
There is no salvation outside of the RCC.

 

This was just mean. I have been to two Latin American countries: Colombia and Brazil.

Actually, the reason why the high rate of illiteracy is a lack of resources for education. Poverty breeds a lack of education. Also, it is not realistic for many to go to school when they have to work all day and most of the evening to avoid starvation/exposure and help each other to avoid starvation/exposure.

Priests are commonly just as under-educated as most of the common people.

 

Jamie looks like your link is yet another paste and cut job. Did you bother to investigate and verify the quotes taken from the source you linked? Maybe you should. For example:

Your Pope Pius IX quote failed to quote the next sentence after:

but, on the other hand, it is necessary to hold for certain that they who labor in ignorance of the true religion, if this ignorance is invincible, are not stained by any guilt in this matter in the eyes of God.

Since I've already exposed two quotes here just on this thread, I'll bet the rest are lacking in revealing the full context of the quotes...imagine that...

What a shame…its sad that you guys will post quotes from sources who just don’t disagree with Catholicism, but openly oppose it, often by what you readers would suspects as base motives. You guys accept at face value any claim made by an enemy of the Church. Even when simple verification of a charge is easily accessible, but you fail to check it up. If it’s unflattering then you post it.

But keep on posting and I along with others will continue to expose those for whom they really are.

 

I am not going to go point by point with you. I will tell you this. I was searching around, because of this thread, and found that link. I didn't state anything about the accuracy or if the statements were true or not. Stop trying to spin it like I did. Nice try.

Also, my experience with the Catholic faith is first hand. I work at a Catholic hospital and have had many talks with the Father there and the sisters. I also have many friends that are Catholic, and if you would review my other posts, or even try to get to know me before you JUMP to conclusions, I have nothing against people that are Catholic, however that being said, I am still glad I am not a Catholic.

Maybe it is you that should investiage and learn about a poster before you jump down their throat.

Jamie

 

Don't get me wrong -- nothing would make me happier than to hear that the RCC now rejects it's own canon law along with Lateran IV.

Please tell us this is true --

In Christ,

Bob

 

Eliyahu's most informative post -- just had to make sure we all did not forget it.