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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Crabtownboy, Jun 28, 2015.
Hmmm, food for thought.
The pastor is off base. Sinfulness is sinfulness and should not be tolerated. But nowhere in the NT does it advocate the Church stone anyone. In short, the pastor is very foolish....probably too foolish to be a real pastor instead of an illustration.
Equality of what? Homosexual marriage? What does divorce have to do with homosexual marriage?
Thank you, thank you, thank you!:godisgood:
Who are these lives that are being ruined?
Also, Scripture does say much about the consequences of a homosexual lifestyle. There is a point that we sometimes concentrate on pet sins while ignoring others....but as an illustration, this one is severely flawed.
For thought maybe, but intake of the physical equivalent would result in an immediate case of food poisoning.
Being consistent in your beliefs.
But the big difference is being a homosexual is a choice a person makes.
Getting divorce is often the choice of only one person.
Scripturally, God hates divorce,(Mal 2:16) but calls homosexuality an abomination. (Lev 18:22)
I think adultery a much better example. Divorce is a singular event where as adultery suits the argument better. And yes, adultery is also a lifestyle choice that the church cannot ignore.
Does anyone know what "equality" we are supposed to support with a smile according to the op?
As defined by the OP, I'm sure we are supposed to support with a smile absolutely anything anyone chooses to do. Sin is all relative you see and we can't use the Bible as a measuring stick because its outdated and doesn't apply to today.
At first I thought it was speaking of the "equality" sexual orientation. But perhaps it is speaking of dealing with sin as a church (church discipline) regardless of the sin. Not sure about the smile.....
The only food for thought here is that why is a Christian posting a meme that obviously is written by a non-Christian or at the very least, a believer who knows nothing about what the Bible says.
That's the only thing that makes me "uncomfortable".
The meme is silly and meant only to ridicule those who do not believe in gay marriage.
And I can't be "silent". Here are the massive holes in the meme's message.
[1.] "There [sic] are countless passages about how divorce is wrong, and there are consequences to getting a divorce such as the wife should be stoned."
I would like for Crabtownboy to name just ONE of the countless passages in the Bible that state that when a man divorces his wife that SHE has to be stoned. And don't use Matthew 5:32. That is speaking to the sin of the husband and the victimhood of the wife and his forcing her to find another husband. There is no place in the Bible where it says, "when a man divorces his wife she should be stoned merely for his divorcing her which is what the meme claimed."
[2.] "We choose to overlook the consequences of divorce because time has proven that they are inhumane and cruel."
NOWHERE in the Bible does it say that the Law was inhumane and cruel. No, we do not stone people anymore for adultery and fornication and other sexual sins. But NOT because we are "enlightened" humanity deeming God's Law to be inhumane and cruel, but because we as New Testament Christians are not under the civil laws of Old Testament Israelites. Jesus Christ marked the end of the law - the Bible says. Paul said if we are going to obey just one piece of the Law for righteousness' sake then we have to obey the whole thing - and that makes Jesus Christ's sacrifice in vain, void, and for nothing.
What's inhumane and cruel is that people continue to sin against each other. Consequences of divorce are most definitely paid today. Moral ones, legal ones, and family ones.
I don't believe that a Bible-believing pastor wrote this. In fact, I believe a non-believer wrote this. It has all the hall marks of a non-believer who thinks he is CERTAIN of what the Bible says, but in actuality, knows nothing.
[3.] "The Bible doesn't say anything about the consequences of a homosexual lifestyle."
~Sigh!~ Further evidence that this meme was not written by a believer. I Corinthians 6 alone says that people who practice the continual lifestyle of any kind of sexual immortality will not see the kingdom of God.
This author used (erroneously) the Old Testament Law requiring the stoning of an adulterous husband or wife to make his congregants "uncomfortable". But he ignores the Old Testament Law for the putting to death of a homosexual man. He can't cite one without citing the other. He can't have it both ways. No, we don't stone people anymore because the Law has already served its purpose, but consequences of sin are still paid.
Read Romans 1:18-32 VERY carefully and look at the progression of sin and the grievous consequences of homosexuality.
STEP 1 [Verse 18] - The wrath of God is revealed against those who suppress the truth and who are ungodly and unrighteous.
STEP 2 [Verses 19-20] -Why wrath? Because God made his ways plain and clear to all!
STEP 3 [Verses 21-23] - They KNEW God and would not give thanks to Him, they hearts darkened, and they because fools. They worshiped themselves, other people, creatures....anything but God.
STEP 4 [Verses 24-27] - God said, "Fine - you don't believe Me? You don't want Me? You won't worship Me? Fine. Have it your way." And he turned them over to what their bodies wanted - their lustful passions. And that manifested itself in homosexuality. Both men and women. But it didn't stop there. What followed homosexuality was this:
STEP 5 [Verses 28-32] - Because they THEN saw fit to ignore God, God THEN turnedthem over to what their MINDS wanted - depravity. And all sorts of evil abounded. And EVEN THOUGH they KNEW, the Bibles says here that they KNEW the ordinances of God and that those who are disobedient to God deserve death, they not ONLY practiced these things, but applauded everyone else who participated in evil also.
So yes, there is a grave consequence to homosexuality that runs a muck. The Bible says it leads to a more depraved culture where everyone KNOWS the truth, but ignores it and cheers on all the evil doers.
"The Bible doesn't say anything about the consequences of a homos@xual lifestyle."
1 Cor. 6:9-10 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites...will inherit the kingdom of God.
Y'all don't get it. CTB doesn't care that the cutesy thing isn't scripturally sound, and is an exemplification of pastors that don't actually teach their congregations what scripture really says. He's not going to try to defend the cutesy saying; if he even posts a response, it'll be something about how it's representative of how people see/view/think about Christians, not about actual doctrine.
In fact, I'll be surprised if he even returns to this thread.
Along with everything you just said, I'm beginning to see Bro. Curtis' point that CTB thinks only those things that Jesus said is "Biblical" and worthy of forming doctrine. Therefore he'll simply ignore Romans 1 and 1 Cor. 6. These passages don't count.
I moved this thread away from All Other Discussions which is a fellowship forum and not a debate forum
All Other Denominations will still allow for any other groups who may or may not be Baptist to join in debate
Thanks Blackbird. I was not sure where to put it.
Deuteronomy 22:22 "If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die."
Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."
Matthew 10:12 "And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery."
Many replies simply show that some sins are very unpopular while other sins are acceptable or at least tolerated in our society.