Understanding Genesis 1&2

Yes please 4pillars, I have been wondering this myself.

 

GE:
How can you call this, "Re; Understanding Genesis 1-2"? To me you're simply confusing everything, making it totally ununderstandable!

 

A. - That is total nonsense.

B - it is not confirmed anywhere in all of scripture - nor even suggested.

Adam and Eve were BOTH in FULL and complete fellowship with God AT THEIR CREATION - no barrier - no gap - no dividing wall. They walked and talked with God in full and complete harmony with their literal maker. Adam is called "the son of God" by the NT writers - from his very first moment of existence.

Christ is a "life GIVING spirit" for He said "AS the Father HAS LIFE IN Himself so He has given the Son to have LIFE IN Himself".

Christ said "I AM the WAY the Truth and the LIFE".

In HIM we HAVE life.

That is not true of ADAM nor any person born-again or not in this world today.

Mixing up the Bible as you are doing yields a great deal of story telling - but very little truth sir.

Pure error.

Gen 2:7 does NOT mention "the third day".

Genesis 1 DOES and tells us that on the third day ONLY PLANTS were created!!

Gen 1 ALREADY tells us that man was created on DAY SIX.

Trying to "make stuff up" no matter what scripture says to the contrary yields much novel story telling -- but no truth sir.

The argument is made that we must SHOW in scripture that on Day 3 the PLANTS were made - but not man.

And on day SIX MANKIND was created but not PLANTS.

We refer those who seek such proof to Genesis 1 and a bit of honest exegesis of the text which GIVES us a chronological SEQUENCE.

THE ONLY text in fact that DOES!!

In Christ,

Bob

 

Your need to continually avoid the inconvenient details of scripture -- is glaringly obvious.

In the "Chronological SEQUENCE" we are given for the six days of creation -- THE ONLY ONE we HAVE in scripture -- we SEE that on DAY SIX God CREATES mankind and on the SAME DAY His ONE act of creation created them IN HIS OWN IMAGE...

Period.

No way to edit, revise or bend that text to your usages sir.

Might as well accept the Word of God for what it says on that point.

Gen 1
24 Then God said, ""Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind''; and it was so.
25 God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, ""Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.''
27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

28 God blessed them; and God said to them, "" Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.''
29 Then God said, ""Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;
30 and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food''; and it was so.
31 God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day


-- NO reference to man MADE on DAY 3 -- in that chronological sequence.

--NO refernece to God NOT making man in His own image on the DAY that man was made -- the SIXTH day!

-- NO MENTION of God making anyone OTHER than Adam and Eve on that ONE day that God made MAN -- the ONLY day that He made man! -- Day SIX.

This is so increadibly glaringly obvious -- I don't see how anyone could turn a blind eye to it honestly.

In Christ,

Bob

 

GOD said that BECAUSE of the ONE man's sin ALL DIE (Rom 5)

YOU SAY that because of the ONE man's sin ALL are created ALL have come to life ALL exist.

A more direct contradiction could not be imagined sir. Leave off story telling - choose the Word of God instead.

In Christ,

Bob

 

here we SEE what God said HE DID on the 3rd day --

9 Then God said, "" Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place, and let the dry land appear''; and it was so.
10 God called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters He called seas; and God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, ""Let the earth sprout vegetation: plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them''; and it was so.
12 The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good.
13 There was evening and there was morning, a third day.


This is where we all notice NO MENTION of "MAKING MAN" and this is where we all notice "THIRD DAY" specified.

There is no "MAKing Adam on Day THREE then CREATING Adam on Day 6" mythology happening here!

In fact this is the ONLY PLACE IN ALL OF SCRIPTURE where the "THIRD DAY" is actually referenced explicitly!!

This is FOLLOWED by the FOURTH day where the SUN and MOON are made.

Now with such an easy and simple set of facts- one might "imagine" that it is impossible to hit a foul ball on this one. And "yet"...

There is also NO SCIENCE saying that Cro-magnon was MADE before the Sun - so trying to insert humanist views of orgins into God's account totally fails here as well.

In Christ,

Bob

 

In Gen 2 - God provides the emphasis, basis and foundation for the Marriage institution.


It does not form a chronology - no time is mentioned in these verses. But we know that the salient portion of the text (making man,
making the animals, making woman - marriage) all happened on the one day - the 6th day of creation week.

NIV -
5 no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there [/quote]

 

When I post a thorough detailed review of Gen 2 facts including all the inconvenient details that 4Pillar needs to deny to hold to the extreme speculation in his posts ... I get

#1. that Response is NOT exegesis of the text it is merely turning a blind eye to the details that do not fit your views.

#2. EVENING and MORNING placed together in scripture ARE ALWAYS one day. The Exodus 20:8-11 SUMMARY of the SAME inconvenient facts SHOW that this is in fact 7 24 hour days!!

Impossible to ignore.

Impossible to obfuscate turn or bend to other usages.

If you have a version of Gen 1 or Exodus 20:8-11 that inserts MILLENNIA between the creation of plants and then the creation of the sun -- show it.

"IN the DAY" Adam ate his sinful nature was created - his sinLESS nature ceased to be -- that VERY DAY! And God states in Gen 3 "LEST he turn and EAT from the tree of life" -- pointing to man's ONGOING life that day as a being but certain physical death.

What we DO NOT find in Gen 1 OR 2 is

" Adam was formed physically on the 3rd Day," For that bit of fiction we have only 4Pillars

In Christ,

Bob

 

Exod 20[/b]
8 ""Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 "" Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you.
11 "" For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
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Oh that everyone would embrace God's Word just as it reads – evolutionism would not be so well accepted among Christians – if they did.

God literally points the reader back to His own literal act in literally creating the world in six literal evenings and mornings – six literal days. Indeed God IS our literal Creator friends! The same language is used in Exodus 20:11 as we see in Gen 2:3 stating the very action taken by God on the 7th day of Creation week.

Further the term “Yom” used in Exodus 20 forms a hard and fast contextual link (same author, same topic, same term, same audience) connecting the “Yom” of Gen 2:3 with the “Yom” (day) of Exodus 20:8-11.

4Pillar's comment above is very very instructive for the reader. By denying the truth of Gen 1 AND the truth of Exodus 20:8-11 regarding Christ the Creator's sabbath the door is opened to humanism and evolutionism.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Nice Scripture passage. However, the problem is that it in no way proves your point. It says Jesus emptied Himself, but it doesn't tell you of what in this verse.

You try to tie two things together that are tied together. It's comparing apples and oranges. If you want to compare Scripture with Scripture, which we need to do, we need to compare like Scripture with like Scripture, not just pull a verse here and there and make Scripture say something that we want it to.

You are either All-Knowing or you are not. You can't be All-Knowing yet not know something at some point. Because at that point you cease to be All-Knowing.

DHK used the example of Jesus calling down Peter and his "lack" of swordsmanship This does not prove that Jesus set aside His omnipotence when He came to earth. It just shows that He chose not to use it at that point, but you can't say that He didn't have access to it at that time.

The Scripture you, DHK and Bob have mentioned is speaking of Christ emptying Himself of His Glory. Everything else was fully in tact.

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By the way from what I have been told by someone that has a degree in Greek the way this verse has been translated leads to the false idea that Christ is not All-Knowing, when in reality it is a verse that is poorly put together and in the original language does not leave that impression.

That is true, but you can't argue with the language. It either says what it says or it does not. And there are a number of places that the "translators" unfortunately did not do a very good job in their translation.

Now we can get into a KJVonly free-for-all, but God's Word (not the translation of His Word) is God's Word and we must allow It to be so.

 

In response to the OP, Genesis I and II reveal the amazing fact of creation by an awesome spiritual entity known to us as God. To nickle and dime it to death is a HUGE waste of time. Far better to dwell (yes, dwell) on His amazing love and sacrifice, to spend our days sharing Him with others. :love2:

 

Notice that INSTEAD of God saying "SOMEDay this will happen AND SOMEDAY this will be GOOD" God stated that it all DID Happen and not only was it Good -- as a finished and completed work - but GOD RESTED from ALL that he had done -- THEREFORE the Lord BLESSED that day of rest for ON IT HE restED.


Period.


No prophecy in this historic "ACCOUNT of the creation of the heavens and the earth" just historic FACT.

The language IN the text shows COMPLETED work - not PREDICTED work --

Ex 20 -

1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed[/b], and all their hosts.
2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.
3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.[/quote]


This is obvious - nothing is left UNDONE here-- it is all stated as COMPLETED!

These inconvenient Bible details are fun to ignore if you are not comfortable with them - but it is "required that you ignore them" if you want to hold to the future insertion that 4Pillar has attempted.

Here is another perfect example of the COMPLETED work of Creation week - NOT incomplete NOT still pending NOT still waiting on completion.


Ex 20[/b]
8 ""Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 "" Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you.
11 "" For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

 

Your assumption that Bob's exegesis of Genesis one and two is his wild imagination and flawed understanding, while at the same time you can neither refute the same exegeted facts, but only allegorize the scriptures according to your own imaginative stories, puts you in the realm of a gnostic.