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Understanding Terms about Hell

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Dr. Bob, Oct 22, 2004.

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  1. Dr. Bob

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    These would be classic Baptist understanding of terms in the Bible dealing with "hell" from an evangelical/conservative position:

    G'Hinnom (Gehennah) was a burning OT idol-pit and by Jesus day, garbage dump. He used it as an illustration of eternal punishment (smoke of torment goes up for ever and ever and ever); worm dies not . .

    Hades (hell in KJV, sadly) Greek word for place of punishment. Think Rich man and Eleazar.

    Sheol (hell/grave) and may have both such meanings depending on context

    Lake of Fire - place of final eternal torment and judgment. Death and Hades cast into it.

    Tartarus is a place of dark punishment for some of the fallen angels

    We use ALL of these terms interchangeably for "hell" and this creates GREAT confusion
     
    #1 Dr. Bob, Oct 22, 2004
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    Dr. Bob,

    Amen! Preaching it! [​IMG]

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 -Amen!
     
    #2 DeafPosttrib, Oct 22, 2004
  3. James_Newman

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    4 of these things, belong together.
    4 of these things are kinda the same.
    1 of these things is doing its own thing!
    Now its time to play Bob's game...
    It's time to play Bob's game!

    Only baptists call the lake of fire hell, the Bible does not do that. It is sometimes referred to as a sea, but not hell.
     
    #3 James_Newman, Oct 22, 2004
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    Actually we use the term "hell" to refer to all of these as generic terms. Confusion because of the dependence on the AV.

    Hades/Hell is cast into the Lake of Fire, consumed by it. Would that not make the Lake of Fire the "ultimate" hell?
     
    #4 Dr. Bob, Oct 22, 2004
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    No, that would make the Lake of Fire the "ultimate" Lake of Fire, and Hell the ultimate "Hell". There would be no confusion.

     
    #5 Lacy Evans, Oct 22, 2004
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    Because a translation chose a word "hell" does NOT make it accurate. That is why I LOVE many MV's who use the various correct/inspired words.

    I have a bathtub with water and pour a bucket of water into it (same substance), what do I have? The substance has not changed.

    Read the descriptions Jesus gave of Hades that will be poured into the Lake of Fire. SAME description. The substance is not changed.

    Don't get hung up on the AV words. THAT is confusing.
     
    #6 Dr. Bob, Oct 23, 2004
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    True Bob.
    Hell/Lake of Fire both are places of fiery torment.
    I echo your sentiment. Just because a translator chose a certain word, does not make it accurate. Like Baptist/Immerse huh?
    You have gotten so hung up on transliterations that, that mind set has clouded your judgement, IMO.
    And one last thing.
    You said,
    "Read the descriptions Jesus gave of Hades that will be poured into the Lake of Fire. SAME description. The substance is not changed."

    Not the same description.

    Fiery. Yes. Torment. Yes. Eternal? No.
    The mere fact that hell is swallowed up in the Lake of Fire shows it is destroyed in that Lake. Not eternal, in this sense.
    Other than that you did fine. Except maybe the AV part. But this is not the forum for that.
    And I think you know that so why even mention it? ;)
    In His service;
    Jim
     
    #7 av1611jim, Oct 23, 2004
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    I don't mind discussing bible versions out in the open. Bob brings up an interesting point in his post...
    He loves to have many bibles to choose from, so he can decide which is right. What is the determining factor for which is right, Bob?
     
    #8 James_Newman, Oct 23, 2004
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    Hell becomes a part of the Lake of Fire. Therefore, since the Lake of Fire is eternal, wouldn't this also indicate hell is eternal?
     
    #9 Keith M, Oct 30, 2004
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    Perhaps the original language. The word "world" is also mis-translated in the KJV.
     
    #10 Grasshopper, Oct 30, 2004
  11. Lacy Evans

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    I guess you might kinda say that the flames of Hell are eternal. (providing hellfire is of the same essence as LOF fire, and LOF fire doesn't burn it up - pure speculation) But Hell, as a place in the heart of the earth, ceases to be. (Like a fish bowl emptied out into the ocean.) I don't believe the new Earth (after the Kingdom) will have a place like Hell inside it, so from that perspective, Hell is not eternal. However, contrary to popular thought, the Earth (Of course in a recreated state) is eternal.

    One thing is certain Hell is not the eternal abode of the damned, (in whatever state it's flames and other contents :confused: end up). The final place the damned is the LOF.

    Lacy
     
    #11 Lacy Evans, Oct 30, 2004
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