Union foolishness...

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  1. rbell

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    Here are suggestions given to Orgeon teachers by their union...it's entitled "What to do when you're in trouble."

    Their suggestions include...

    1. KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT…. Never admit anything! Sure, you just want to be honest and admit that, maybe, just maybe, you might have made a little teeny, weenie mistake. In your attempt to be honest, your admission may be construed as guilt of much, much more than you intended. If management accuses, listen carefully, take good notes and admit nothing.
    2. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER…. Put your admission, or your account of what happened, in writing. Keep notes for your own purposes and for our defense. Do NOT give them to management.
    6. READ THE CONTRACT…. What are your rights? Your contract provides excellent protection against unfair treatment and discipline.
    8. DON’T BE RUSHED… If the manager wants to meet with you right away to discuss some problem, take it easy. Take time to get your union rep lined up, to read your contract, and to check things out.
    10. COVER YOUR BUTT…. When you’re dealing with management or, perhaps, a dissatisfied member, it’s always a good idea to clarify and restate what happened when.

    (and people wonder why our schools have problems? 2 words..."Teacher's Unions")

    http://biggovernment.com/kolson/201...lity-look-to-how-their-unions-union-operates/
     
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    and more union foolishness...

    As benefits and wages put more of a strain on businesses in this economy...we see more and more ridiculous behavior from union folks...including threats, intimidation, assaults, and ridiculous examples of greed.

    http://biggovernment.com/libertychi...-and-theatrics-when-is-enough-enough-already/

    Below is the best example IMO of the greediness of union thugs...and how the lamestream media ignores their reprehensible behavior:

    I think Americans are slowly but surely waking up to the fact that unions are no longer helpful or positive influences upon our workforce. Frankly, in some areas (particularly education and government workers), they're wrecking the workforce, economy, and attempts at progress.
     
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    It is also good advice for scabs. Boggles my mind how, after been warned for years of TV that they have a right be silent they can't wait to spill their guts.
     
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    Sorry billwald, the real world doens't work like that. We aren't talking about being convicted of a crime. If my boss calls me into his office and wants to discuss something with me, whether it is my performance or anything else about my job, I talk to him. If I refuse to talk to him about it, he would be within his right to fire me. That's the real world.
     
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    Actually, I do NOT disagree with those instructions. The purpose of an investigation is to find all the facts. When an incident happens, it is so easy to say something unintentional which later could come back to haunt you.

    I would give the same advice to someone who was involved in an automobile collision*. If you you were to say "I'm sorry" that could actually be construed to mean you were at fault. You say that is ridiculous - that is absolutely correct - the problem is we have lawyers who will stop at nothing to win a case - facts mean nothing.

    DI Salty

    * a collision is when a vehicle hits something else - an accident is an unfortunate collision that could not have been prevented. I contend that at least 95% of all collisions are preventable.
     
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    When you are at work your job is to do as you are told. If the boss wants you to tell him something that happened while on the job, your job is to spill the beans. If you don't want to spill the beans, find a job elsewhere.
     
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    Our insurance company tells us drivers 99.999% are preventable. I have never heard of a truck in an accident that no one was charged. As a Christian we are to be truthful.
     
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    Good advise.

    Also, if you are charged in a crime, don't talk to the police without your lawyer present.
     
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    Robert, are you agreeing with me? :confused:

    whats this world comming to :eek: :D
     
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    So if the boss tells me to but 5 people in the back seat, when the law only allows 3, I should do as I am told?

    point is, there are always exceptions.

    I am not suggesting that an employee lie, but you should use prudence in what you say.
     
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    No, of course an employee should not break the law. If asked to break the law they should report that employer and find another job.

    Being asked to break the law and being asked to explain what happened "when you are in trouble" at work at two entirely different things.
     
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    Sounds very much like the rules management lived by in the company I worked for.

    I would say that read the contract is very good advice regardless of who you are or where you are. Be sure to read the fine print also.
     
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    "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin

    What was Benny criticizing, condemning, and complaining about when he said that?
     
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    Can't disagree with that.
     
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    Yeah...well, I can see after years of union indoctrination...that you'd be fascinated by the concept of honesty.

    "Scabs," in your opinion, "can't wait to spill their guts."

    Unfortunately, many union types can't wait to hate the guts of others.
     
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    Again, you need to learn to read!
     
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    If one knows that they are facing a 'disciplinary' action..... not just the typical employee evaluation.... it is good to get a witness, if possible.

    In fact..... if a person finds they are working in a hostile setting: they are repeatedly being targeted with presentation of offensive material or there are irregularities in the work place, they are being given assignments (which are documented) then afterwards being shifted to other assignments for which there is no documentation or changes made on the 'official' record, or mountains are made over the minor issues normally ignored in other people..... then a person might do well to not only be careful and guard their tongue.... but also know who their friends are and who they can count on to guard their back. It may even mean getting a friend, neighbor, pastor, or relative to come in and be present as a witness to a confrontation by an employer. If one recognizes there are signs in the work place indicative of easy terminations.... one might confide their plans ahead of time with those who they can trust.... with ideas as to how to prepare.... such as cell phone, pen recorder, micro corder... note pad, etc.... to be present at short notice, and the purpose as to how and why such may be essential.


    I'd worked a job almost 20 years when I had an unexpected and, as far as I have yet determined to be, an unjust confrontation and I was glad that my sister-in-law was available to be present. Whether unfortunate or fortunate.... I did not see the writing on the wall and continued at that place almost 2 more years when suddenly 'terminated' .....'with cause' which amounted to nothing when they were confronted by the unemployment board. Unemployment is no picnic... and I kept my COBRA payments which did not leave much to live on ......incentive to try to find work.

    I placed it in God's hands....but honestly..... it was a near devastating experience for me. Immediately, thereafter, it seems I had opportunities though not the kind one normally thinks about when looking for work. I'm talking about opportunities to visit in another city to see the wedding of my niece.... another to see another niece graduate from medical school.... another to visit relatives in NC and to attend the funeral of a dear aunt, my mother's sister, and to go to church rested. I did not realize how stressful my job had been until I was free of it and trying to live on almost nothing.... and that was an 'improvement'.

    I did find work, for a while after that: Pride was involved: I had never been out of work. Had had a few stints in the early 70's where I worked better than 40 hour weeks by piecing together a mix mash of jobs between 2-3 dental offices and then worked proofing at the Raleigh Times/News and Observer, and worked at Thalhimers seasonal rush, and slopped burgers and chicken at Roy Rogers while taking some courses at UNC/CH, before finding a dental office which could employ a hygienist 5 full days a week. But my roots and family were 650 miles away, and living in NC where I was married (the happiest day of my life) and divorced (the saddest day of my life), did not satisfy so I moved back home and found my variable skills and talents utilized in a demanding job caring for psychiatric patients in a hospital.

    But, sometimes, God lets the brakes be put on our lives..... and He does it in his timing and for his reasons.... whether we fully understand or not: In my case... it was for my good. Sure, I exhausted what funds I'd saved for retirement..... but the security which I thought it would provide.... I have in Him. As I look back through the good and the bad..... I can see so many of my mistakes ........ but I also see His hand guiding me through it all and confirming and reaffirming that I am his child..... and all the past experiences has brought me to the realization of His providence and that He wanted me closer to Him when life kept me too busy. Sometimes.... related to employment.... or other things that we count on being there for us which often include the standards which made us so proud of ourselves.... .... we have to 'let go and let God' take over. Probably the sooner realized and accepted the better and the less painful..... and the sooner He can draw us closer to Him and keep us there no matter what the circumstances.
     
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    Educational advice courtesy of the William Faulkner of the BaptistBoard.
     

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