Theme: Difference between universalism and arminianism (or non-Cal for a more inclusive grouping). I realize that there are differences -belief in eternal hell is one - but, for this thread, I propose staying with one area. These verses (copied from wikipedia) to demonstrate what universalists hold as showing that none will perish. 1 Corinthians 15:22 "For as in Adam ALL die, so also in Christ shall ALL be made alive." (ESV; Emphasis Added) Romans 5:18-19 (The "one trespass" and the "one man's disobedience" refer to Adam's sin, while the "act of righteousness" and the "one man's obedience" refer to Jesus' voluntary death on the cross). "Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous." (ESV; Emphasis added) 2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance." (ESV; Emphasis Added) 1 Timothy 2:3-6 "This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for ALL, which is the testimony given at the proper time." (ESV; Emphasis Added) 1 John 2:2 "He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world." (ESV) 1 Timothy 4:10 "For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe." (ESV; Emphasis Added) Romans 11:32 "For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all." (ESV) 1 John 4:14 "And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world." (ESV) So, the question considers the use of "ALL." Why is it that the Arminianist (non-cal) thinking is not considered the same as Universalist thinking? Is the "ALL" of Arminianists (non-cal) in fact "limited" or is it "unlimited?" If not, what use of the word "ALL" does not conform to agreement between the two views. PLEASE: Folks this is not some Cal. vs Arminian debate! This is Arminian vs Universal discussion of the use of the word "ALL."