Unlike Americans, foreigners clearly understand

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Brother James, Feb 2, 2006.

  1. Brother James

    Brother James
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2005
    Messages:
    660
    Likes Received:
    0
    Democracy, Hypocrisy, and U.S. Foreign Policy
    by Jacob G. Hornberger


    After singing the praises of democracy all over the world, not to mention bombing, killing, and maiming people in the name of spreading it, the overwhelming win in Palestinian elections by Hamas, which U.S. officials have labeled a terrorist organization, is reminding U.S. officials that democracy sometimes produces results that are not very satisfactory from their own perspective.

    There’s also, of course, Iraq, where voters rejected the CIA and Pentagon puppets, Iyad Allawi and Ahmed Chalabi, that President Bush and Vice-President Cheney had hoped they could install to replace Saddam Hussein, who had declined the U.S. puppet position despite having received significant amounts of U.S. aid. Instead, “democracy in Iraq” has produced a radical, brutal, torturous, Iran-aligned, Islamic Shi’ite regime that is now using U.S. forces to kill its enemies.

    In my January 23 blog, I pointed out that U.S. officials were pumping a couple of million dollars of U.S. taxpayer-funded handouts into the campaign of Hamas’s opponent, the Fatah Party, headed by Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas. Talk about foreign-aid blowback! I wonder how many Palestinians voted for Hamas simply because they found out that the U.S. government was helping the other side. After all, don’t forget how reluctant Abbas himself was to claim credit for the U.S.-provided trees, schoolroom additions, street cleaning, computers, and other U.S. federal freebies.

    It is truly fascinating that U.S. officials are simply oblivious to how much they are disliked around the world. They seem to have this quaint notion that they are loved everywhere or that the problem is simply a PR one, which they think they can cure if they can just “get their message out.” They don’t realize that the more they get their message out, they more they are disliked by people everywhere.

    Of course, the Iraqi and Palestinian elections are not the only recent example of what appears to be democratic blowback against the U.S. government. Chilean voters recently elected a socialist, which ought to be of some concern to the new Chilean president, given that the last time Chilean voters elected a socialist (and communist) – Salvador Allende, the U.S. government encouraged a coup and, in the process, even played a role in the murder of a young American journalist. The coup ended up getting Allende killed and replaced by an unelected military dictator, Augusto Pinochet, whose military and intelligence agency (DINA) engaged in many of the same tactics against prisoners that President Bush’s military and intelligence agency (CIA) are engaging in – kidnapping, torture, sex abuse, rape, and murder.

    And there’s also Bolivia, where voters recently elected a man who has threatened to legalize the coca industry, much to the chagrin of U.S. officials, for whom the drug war is a tremendous boon in terms of money and power, notwithstanding the fact that it has produced so much death and destruction in Latin America.

    And there’s also Venezuela, whose president, Hugh Chavez, continues to thumb his nose at U.S. officials, which many believe has caused Chavez to be added to the list of potential U.S. assassination targets and Venezuela to be added to the list of potential invasion targets by the U.S. government.

    In fact, any country in which the voters fail to use democracy in a “correct and responsible” way should be concerned. Don’t forget what U.S. officials did to Iran and Guatemala after voters voted the “wrong” way in those countries.

    In fact, it is truly amazing that U.S. officials are still unable to figure out why the Iranian people still dislike and distrust the U.S. government so much. After all, the way U.S. officials figure it is, What’s the big deal of using the CIA to oust people’s popular and democratically elected prime minister and replacing him with a brutal CIA-approved puppet, the Shah of Iran, for the next several decades?

    And then U.S. officials scratch their heads in bewilderment over why people dislike the U.S. government so much. They even hire PR people to “get their message out,” teaching foreigners that U.S. officials really do mean well and that foreigners would simply be better off accepting their U.S-imposed fate and submitting to the inevitable.

    President Bush might now be hoping that his fantasy that his invasion of Iraq will engender genuine democracy in the Middle East never comes to fruition. After all, who can doubt that voters in such countries as Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Jordan would sweep out of office the brutal and corrupt pro-U.S. regimes that rule over them and replace them with radical anti-U.S. Islamic regimes? (Of course, this would benefit U.S. taxpayers because U.S. officials would undoubtedly cut off U.S. foreign aid to the new regimes, as they are now threatening to do to the Palestinians in the wake of the Hamas victory.)

    The problem, which all too many Americans fail to recognize, is that people all over the world, especially in Latin America and the Middle East, don’t like the U.S. government and its foreign policy. Equally important, what all too many Americans fail or refuse to recognize is that such dislike is well-founded and justified.

    Unlike Americans, foreigners have had first-hand experience with the arrogance, obnoxiousness, and hypocrisy that characterize U.S. foreign policy.

    Unlike Americans, foreigners know that U.S. officials show no reluctance to support brutal regimes that do their bidding, no matter how tyrannical they are to their own people (Iraq under Saddam, Iran under the shah, and Pakistan come to mind).

    Unlike Americans, foreigners know that U.S. officials show no reluctance to squeeze foreign citizenries as a way to punish their ruler (i.e., sanctions in Iraq and Cuba) and no reluctance or remorse about invading a country that has never attacked the United States (Iraq, Grenada, Panama, and Haiti) for the purpose of regime change, even when the action kills and maims tens of thousands of innocent people.

    Unlike Americans, foreigners clearly understand the hypocrisy reflected by the following two U.S. proclamations: “We love you and, therefore, are willing to liberate you with bombs and missiles” and “Don’t even think of emigrating to the United States because we will jail you or repatriate you if we catch you.”

    Does foreign dislike for our government and its policies mean that foreigners hate America? On the contrary! This is where U.S. officials just don't get it. Foreigners love Americans and they love the principles and values for which our nation stands. They just don’t like our government and its policies. It’s that simple.

    Therefore, U.S. officials, from President Bush on down, have it all wrong. The solution is not to continue unleashing U.S. government power overseas, even while increasingly isolating the American people from the rest of the world with trade barriers, immigration and visa controls, and walls along our borders. The solution is instead to (1) rein in the federal government by dismantling its overseas diplomatic and military empire, ending all foreign aid and bringing all U.S. overseas troops home, discharging them into the private sector, and (2) unleash our nation’s greatest diplomats – businessmen, tourists, cultural groups, and everyone else in the private sector – to freely interact once again with the people of the world. There is no other solution to the foreign-policy/terrorism woes that continue to bedevil our country.


    February 2, 2006

    Jacob Hornberger [send him mail] is founder and president of The Future of Freedom Foundation.

    Copyright © 2006 Future of Freedom Foundation

    Jacob Hornberger Archives








    Find this article at:
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/hornberger/hornberger73.html
     
  2. elijah_lives

    elijah_lives
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2005
    Messages:
    472
    Likes Received:
    0
    What foreigners fail to understand, is that many of us don't care WHAT they think; it is ACTION we look at.
     
  3. Scott J

    Scott J
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2001
    Messages:
    8,462
    Likes Received:
    0

    Labeled???? No friend. The label was earned each time they blew up Jewish market places killing people peacefully going about their lives.

    The Palestinians have a right to self-determination... They also already have a mandated home "state"... It is called "Jordan". But they don't have a right to our money, our approval, or our support... just because they democratically elect the very worst of two very, very, very evil and hateful choices.
     
  4. Scott J

    Scott J
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2001
    Messages:
    8,462
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yep. That makes us the bad guys alright... How dare we do nice things for people so blinded by hatred.
     
  5. Brother James

    Brother James
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2005
    Messages:
    660
    Likes Received:
    0
    Once again, arrogance on parade.
     
  6. Scott J

    Scott J
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2001
    Messages:
    8,462
    Likes Received:
    0
    These "foreigners" are simply arm chair QB's. It is alot easier to sit around and take shots at someone that is trying to secure peace and liberty for its own people and those of other nations... it is alot more difficult to get up off your duff and do something yourself.

    I say let these countries elect socialists... then cut off all foreign aid and trade since they obviously reject the principles that this guy claims they love.
     
  7. Scott J

    Scott J
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2001
    Messages:
    8,462
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yes it was... someone sitting on the side lines passing moral judgments on those who in their humanity can't play the perfect game...
     
  8. Brother James

    Brother James
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2005
    Messages:
    660
    Likes Received:
    0
    All countries have the right of self determination apart from U.S. bombers acting in behalf of big business.
     
  9. Scott J

    Scott J
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2001
    Messages:
    8,462
    Likes Received:
    0
    Don't get me wrong James... if someone proposed a comprehensive isolationist scheme I would probably go for it.

    Allow no more immigration... let them solve their own problems where they are. No more free trade... try reciprocal trade. You don't have anything we need, "tough luck bud". Got a problem... go find the French or Jimmy Carter maybe they can help.

    The US is very capable of having a modern progressive economy with its own resources. We can probably redirect our defenses in such a way that we could secure our borders, shorelines, and airspace.

    But that isn't what these "foreigners" or US critics really want. They want us to do what they want, when they want, in the way they want, on our dime, and in a way that doesn't benefit us whatsoever. It is based in pure, unadulterated jealousy among other things.
     
  10. Scott J

    Scott J
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2001
    Messages:
    8,462
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yes but not apart from not presenting a threat to the US, its allies, or interests.

    They also don't have a right to our support, friendship, or trade after their decisions of self-determination.
     
  11. Johnv

    Johnv
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2001
    Messages:
    21,321
    Likes Received:
    0

    I concur with Scott. The lebel is earned by copious violence they have engaged in. I'm not a simpleton to think the Israeli's have done no wrong. However, while I can understand the frustration of the Palestinian people as a whole, it does not excuse the violence that Hamas has engaged in.

    Would that it would be that simple. Palestinians are considered second class citizens by the people of Jordan. I thought that was a stereotype until I met a Jordanian family who referred to Palestinians like a klansman would refer to blacks. A palestinian family friend confirmed that this is a pretty common attitude.
     
  12. carpro

    carpro
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2004
    Messages:
    20,941
    Likes Received:
    296
    Hamas may be a democratically elected government but they will have to learn that, to take their proper place amongst the world community, they have to begin to act responsibly.

    Up to now, they have used primarily murder of the innocent to try to accomplish their agenda. In the world of legitimate governments, they will have to learn to use legitimate means to do so. Hopefully they will realize that by failing to do so, they will do harm to the very people they were elected to represent.

    Maybe they won't care. Maybe murder and terrorism is too much a part of their psyche to change. We will see.

    I don't believe U.S officials are "scratching their heads" over why some people seem to hate us so much. I think they know. But we should remain undeterred in our efforts to espouse the benefits of a system we know works, democracy. That is hardly something to be ashamed of.

    Hornberger seems to be one of those that would scream the loudest if we have relations with or support a dictatorial regime, yet is not happy when those governments turn to democracy, either.

    Either way, the U.S. is wrong. Sounds like more of the same from the blame America first crowd.
     
  13. John of Japan

    John of Japan
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2005
    Messages:
    12,219
    Likes Received:
    194
    Yeah, let's build the "Great Wall of Texas"!! :D
     
  14. poncho

    poncho
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2004
    Messages:
    19,657
    Likes Received:
    128
    Peace and liberty are just buzzwords for propagandists. The real reason we're over in the middle east is to turn those countries monetary systems over to the Rothschild's central bankers and their fiat money schemes and to empower the United Nations and further their usurpations of national sovereignties.
     
  15. elijah_lives

    elijah_lives
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2005
    Messages:
    472
    Likes Received:
    0
    All countries have the right of self determination

    Quite simply, I do not agree with that statement. Not when they have shown that they cannot govern themselves.
     
  16. poncho

    poncho
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2004
    Messages:
    19,657
    Likes Received:
    128
    Yep, I agree EL. That's a job more suited to the UN and their public private partnerships.
     
  17. John of Japan

    John of Japan
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2005
    Messages:
    12,219
    Likes Received:
    194
    Just so you folks know, contrary to the OP article, Japan loves America. Every few years they do a poll over here of what Japanese think of foreigners, and the USA always comes out on top as the nation most liked and admired by Japanese, usually at around 60%.

    Many other countries are the same, they just don't make the news. I went to full time language school in Tokyo (1981-1983), rubbed shoulders with folk from many countries (China, Taiwan, Singapore, Thailand, India, Korea, etc.), and was never attacked for America's failures (well, except for that one conversation about Nixon!). I've been to Hong Kong and Australia, and was received graciously in both places.

    So who dislikes America? The Islamic nations, whose doctrine tells them to conquer the world for Islam and kill anyone who doesn't convert? Big deal!! Who wants to be liked by them?? :rolleyes:
     
  18. poncho

    poncho
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2004
    Messages:
    19,657
    Likes Received:
    128
    Would those be the same Islamic nations that refuse to turn over their monetary systems to a private central bank that promotes debt through a fiat currency, by any chance?

    Are these the same Islamic nations that refuse to allow the multinational corporations to buy their governments off and replace them with public private partnerships by any chance?

    Are these the same Islamic nations that refuse to let the United Nations "redistribute" their wealth through their plan of global socialism by any chance?
     
  19. mountainrun

    mountainrun
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2001
    Messages:
    567
    Likes Received:
    0
     
  20. mountainrun

    mountainrun
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2001
    Messages:
    567
    Likes Received:
    0
    John of Japan, I am glad to hear that we are not universally disliked, contrary to Hornberger and Br. James.

    I have observed in my life that when a man stands up to bullies, all bullies dislike him and cowards line up on the side of the bullies.

    The Japanese do not impress me as either cowards or bullies.
    I haven't had Japan on my list of to-go places, but I might add it.

    MR
     

Share This Page

Loading...