Unused communion bread and fruit of the Vine?

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  1. convicted1

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    Today, I had the blessing of taking the unused Bread and Fruit of the Vine, and burying it. I took it home, dug a hole behind the house, kneeled and had prayer, and then covered them up. Here are my questions. What do y'all do with the unused portion of the communion table? Why do you do it that way? Are you the only one who does it?

    Each year, in the ORB's, I am pretty sure that the Moderator/Pastor appoints a different Brother the take and bury them. It is a blessing in doing this. I look forward to all responses. With love!!

    i am I am's!!

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    Hmmm...I've never heard of this before. Well, not from Baptists of any sort.

    Catholic priests, at least in the past, ate and drank everything that was left. Of course, Baptists believe it is still basically food and drink and, apart from the supper, has no added significance, so I don't quite understand why one would bury it.
     
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    We don't do anything special with the unused bits. We usually pour the grape juice back into the container it came out of and throw the cracker bits away.

    Why does your church choose to pray over and bury them? I have never heard of anything like that.
     
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    The "grace" to the believer that comes through worship (communion, prayer, hymns, etc) is not tangibly tied to items. That is more catholic in nature. So in a "general" sense (not salvific as catholic/lutheran teaching), we receive grace from such practice. Not the physical items.

    We don't take old hymnals and bury them and pray over them. Or baptismal water (we baptize in a motel hot tub or pool - nohting sacred in that water for sure). These are "things", with no intrinsic value.

    Odd group. And once a year? What about the elements used every time the church meets for worship (as was 100% the practice in the NT)? Do you take turns burying the "bones"?
     
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    Is this a common practice among Old Regular Baptists, or the Indian Bottom Association ORB, or just your congregation? What's the reason for it? This is something new to me.
     
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    When I was a little boy I quickly made my way to the front of the church after the Lord's Supper. The kids who were fast enough got to drink the juice that is left over. Kids in my church still do the same thing. As for the bread we put it back in the box for use the next time. I think burying the unused portions is giving to much emphasis to the elements. It's what they represent that matters. After all they are just juice and bread and nothing else.
     
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    While this is new to me I also think it is fine as long as this does not suggest some sort of special favor from the Lord since there is no command to do this. Or you are not praying for the elements since there is not anything holy about the bread or the wine any more then there is anything holy with the water in the baptistery. If you are simply praying some sort of thanks giving for the Lord's sacrifice then that is fine. It seems to show respect to the ceremony as well as the Lord. I had to look up the ORB and I found this link with videos.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP-LhUb1Ejo
    Also I saw here in one post where the children after the ceremony race to the front to drink and eat what remains. This is in my opinion showing disrespect for the ceremony as well as what the Lord has done for us. In my opinion it would be better to just throw everything out in private.

    convicted1 I commend you and that church for the handling of the elements in a respectful manner. I am afraid that today most of us have become far to complacent to the things of the Lord. We simply have forgotten what holiness is and how to handle it. Like I stated as long as this is not seen as some special favor above another for the one carrying out this ritual it is a good thing. In other words the other people do not look on the one carrying this out as somehow above another who does not get to do this. I can see how this could be a personal blessing, God bless.
     
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    Just another quirk of the ORBs in WV.

    Of course, if the bread comes out of it's little grave after 3 days, I might believe in "transubstantiation"! LOL...

    Sorry, but to apply special meaning to a memorial service for bread and juice borders on superstitious if not down right blasphemy. The bread and juice is simply symbolic.. There is NOTHING special that happens to them when they are used in communion.

    This practice indicates that there are some heretical tendencies within the ORB churches that do this. They are either buying in to the Catholic teaching or Lutheran teaching.

    To answer the question in the OP...
    We throw away the unused elements...
     
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    Wow....just WOW!! To be tied into heretical, blasphemous(sp?), or catholic views is quite amazing! As far as the prayer went, I did this on my own, and was not instructed to do so. When Jesus was at the table, He told them "this is MY BODY, which is broken for many". The Fruit of the Vine is His blood of the New Testament. I know to the natural eye, it is just plain flour and water that the Sisters baked while we did our church business saturday night. I also know that the Fruit of the Vine is just 100% Welch's grape juice that can be picked up at any store in america. But to us, the ORBs, we hold to the Spiritual meaning in that it is His Body and His blood that He sacrificied on the cross at Calvary. So to "cast it to the dogs"(which is what happens when it gets tossed), is something I would not personally let happen. It's either a symbol of Him, or it isn't. I am not trying to come across as harsh, but some of these replies are pretty sad. I love you all, but man, give a Brother a break! I would do this again, if I had it to do over. With love!!

    i am I am's!!

    Willis
     
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    Thank you for the kind words! Like I have already stated, it represents His Body and His Blood, so, to me, throwing it away is disrespectful. No, I don't feel like I got any "special favor" from doing this, but I was thanking Him for His sacrifice to"all mankind", when He hung, bled,and died at Calvary for all the lost. With love!!

    i am I am's!!

    Willis

    PS It was a blessing in doing this!
     
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    This thread has quickly been derailed into why this is a Catholic and/or Lutheran practice, for which I know nothing about. They may do "cartwheels" while they practice this, but that is their business in how they handle it. To let the kids "race up and eat the leftovers" is quite disrespectful, if you ask me. None of us will find any apecial favor with Him in burying the leftover Bread and Fruit of the Vine", but want to bury it, just like Jesus' body was buried. Now, I know it will not be ressurrected like His Glorious body, but we show respect to Him for His sacrifice, and nothing else. Some have looked into this for more than what it really is. Now back to the topic of the OP, what do you so with the "remains"? Please keep you opinions to yourself....I love you all!!

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    Willis
     
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    We throw them away. We don't allow kids to drink it up.

    So convicted what does the "I am I am's" mean?
     
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    Brother I bolded the part of your statement that IS exactly what the Catholics believe, and EXACTLY what Baptists for centuries have been against the Catholic church for.

    The bread and Juice IS NOT the body and blood of Jesus.

    Burial is reserved for humans. Because it signifies that life was once in the body.

    There is NO life in the bread and Juice. To bury it signifies that you believe that there was life in it at one point.

    I am not calling you a heretic.. .but this practice Is found NO place in scripture, and can be a slippery slope of idolatry. It is going beyond just respect, it is giving human qualities to the elements.

    I agree with you, that just letting the kids devour it, shows disrespect.
    That is why we simply throw it away, and drain the juice down the kitchen sink.

    Maybe I was too tough in my last post, and I apologize for the way I worded things. but I take a firm stand against transubstantiation, or even consubstantiation.. and if you don't know what those two terms mean, look it up.. because you are very close to one of those two heresies... and I would hate for you to cross over into a practice that is dangerous.
     
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    Wait a minute. Letting kids drink it is disrepectful but it's not disrepectful to chunk it in the garbage or pour it down the drain. Seems the same to me. At least when the kids drink it it's not wasted. Actually, it's not a hill to die on. Convicted, if you are convicted that you are doing the right thing then more power to you. It's not a hill to die on.
     
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    That I like. I belong to I AM. I am I AM's.
     
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    Thanks, it makes sense now.
     
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    Sounds like he was talking about spiritual presence, not physical presence, which can be debated but is something less than transubstantiation. And it certainly isn't the belief of Catholics.

    I don't know, though. I've never heard of burying it.
     

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