US Midterm Elections: Israel Claims Victory

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  1. kyredneck

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    The neocons are back. This should make The Israel Cult very happy. The Jews still exert great power within our Federal Government.

    http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/11/us-midterm-elections-israel-claims-victory/

    "Next January’s 112th Congress is already receiving rave advance reviews. Some coming from the more than half a million settlers in more than 100 illegal colonies in occupied Palestine who are pleased to see President Obama emasculated and the sentiments expressed in his June 2008 Cairo speech long forgotten. Many are hoping he will be replaced by likes of Hillary Clinton, Sarah Palin, or a Mike Huckabee in 2012."

    "Danny Dayan, head of the Yesha Council, which represents Jewish settlers in the West Bank, and whose representatives are increasingly on the rampage, by word and by deed, spoke for many when he told a post election news conference that he expected the new Congress "will facilitate a more open-minded approach to Israel's needs (yet more Palestinian land – author)
    than what we've experienced over the last two years."

    AIPAC, as it does after every Congressional election, offered pro forma congratulations to the winners: “It is abundantly clear that the 112th Congress will continue America’s long tradition of staunch support for a strong, safe and secure Israel and an abiding friendship between the United States and our most reliable ally in the Middle East.”

    "No sooner had the election results been declared than key winners received what for decades has been a post election ritual, bestowed on new Members of Congress. That would be the delivery of US taxpayer subsidized invitations for all expense paid junkets to Israel. Of this year’s batch, Florida’s new Senator, Marco Rubio, who considers himself a Tea Party leader and who has been called “America’s great Right hope’ will lead the flock and arrive in Israel on Sunday 11/7/10. As Rubio and other members of Congress board planes to fly to Israel they may actually near-miss Israeli officials, including PM Netanyahu, who will be coming the opposite direction for a five day US visit to meet with his personal choice to replace Obama for US President in 2012, Hilary Clinton. Netanyahu will also talk Congressional strategy with key Israeli lobby agents. Those listed on the various passenger manifests between the US and Israel will share the common objective of making sure Israel’s interests are preserved and “remain eternally paramount” to borrow a phrase from VP Joe Biden. They will also try to assure and that the 112th Congress brooks no Obama administration unpleasantness such as increased demands for a broader freeze on Jewish settlements."
     
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    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world...-re-election-of-pro-israel-stalwarts-1.322729

    U.S. midterms: AIPAC lauds re-election of pro-Israel stalwarts

    Pro-Israel group hails success for supporters on both sides of the political divide, as well as election of three new Jewish members of Congress; polls shows 66 percent of U.S. Jews voted Democrat.

    "Many of the strongest friends and supporters of the U.S.-Israel relationship were reelected on Tuesday," the group said in a statement.

    These included Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), Reps. John Boehner (R-OH), widely tipped to be named Republican majority leader in the lower House of Representatives, which his party seized from Democratic control.

    Other pro-Israel successes cited by AIPAC included outgoing House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), as well as Eric Cantor (R-VA) and Steny Hoyer (D-MD).

    "Support for Israel at the Congress is strong and bipartisan,” an embassy spokesman told Haaretz.
     
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    [before the election]

    http://forward.com/articles/132608/


    ".....New York Democrat Gary Ackerman, argued that Israel’s best bet for addressing any concerns about Obama’s policy would be for Democrats to retain power. “I’m not saying that if the Republicans take the House it would be doomsday for Israel, but if they want positive influence on the White House, that’s us,” said Ackerman, who chairs the subcommittee on the Middle East and South Asia of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs.

    Ackerman and other Jewish Democrats point to the forceful criticisms they conveyed to the White House when they thought that Obama was leaning too hard on Israel.

    “If you need the president, you need us as chairs of the committees,” Ackerman said as he listed what he called the “first-class team” of Jewish pro-Israel Democrats who chair key House committees: Berman at Foreign Affairs, Barney Frank at Financial Services, Henry Waxman at the Energy and Commerce committee, Sander Levin at Ways and Means, and Ackerman himself in his role as head of the Middle East subcommittee. “We are all pro-Israel and we all have major, major, major influence in the executive branch.” "
     
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    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3980670,00.html

    "......on the occasion of the sweeping Republican victory would be an exaggerated move, we can certainly have a toast with some liquor. Obama abused Israel, he now sustained a serious political blow, and this is good for us.......Obama’s defeat last week removed any desire he may have still had to anger Jewish voters again. We can assume that he will also fear the reaction of Congress. For the next two years at least, Prime Minister Netanyahu will be able to quarrel with him and survive."
     
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    Here is what some Muslims said when Obama was elected:

    "During the Bush administration, we had some different views. But now we have identical policies with the Obama administration...If you look at the agendas of the two countries, it is almost the same!" - Ahmet Davutoglu, Turkey's chief foreign policy adviser.

    "People believe Obama has warmer feelings toward the Muslim world and the relationship will be different," said Emre Erdogan, head of Infakto. "And his middle name is Hussein!"

    "He has a Muslim background, so when he was elected we were so happy -- it was like he was elected for Turkey!" Aydogan said.

    Well what do you know. Not only Israelis take an interest in US elections!
     
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    http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/13/aipac_ajc_join_with_greeks_mad_about_turkish_stanc/

    It must be fun being the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the Anti-Defamation League, or the American Jewish Committee. You can switch policies on a dime and everybody understands.

    For decades, these three have been unabashedly pro-Turkish. If Turkey was for it, they were for it. No matter what the issue -- even one as emotional as the Armenian genocide -- the big three Jewish organizations backed Turkey to the hilt as did their Congressional cutouts. (Not long ago, ADL fired an official in Boston for saying that there was an Armenian genocide).

    The reason. Turkey was (and, in my opinion, is) Israel's most powerful friend in the Muslim world. Going back to its first prime minister, David Ben Gurion, Israel worked hard at maintaining a strategic friendship with the Turks. And so did Israel's lobby in America.

    By extension, the lobby did not like Greece, Greek Cyprus, or anything the Greeks liked. The organizations loved sending delegations to Turkey, encouraging Jewish tourism there, and celebrated Turkey as utterly free of anti-semitism. (The Greeks were dismissed as incorrigibly left-wing).

    No more. Ever since the Turks opposed the Gaza invasion and blockade, the lobby has been furious at Turks for their temerity. Its prime minister even publicly admonished Shimon Peres about Gaza in Davos. And then there was the flotilla incident (about which Turkey has infinitely more reason to be angry about than Israel), Within the period of a few months, Israel and its lobby turned on Turkey with a vengeance. Even the 1915 genocide that previously wasn't a genocide became one overnight.

    Now Turkey is the country the lobby loves to hate. Assuming that the best way to stick it to Turkey is to suck up to Greece, that it what AIPAC, AJC, and ADL are doing. In lockstep. These guys remind me of American communists back in the 1930's, with their sheer dexterity at shifting policies in about an hour! How silly can you get?

    Jonathan Broder writes all about it in Congressional Quarterly (I don't have the link because I can't afford a subscription) but here is a small excerpt. It is about the new lobby position on Cyprus, a subject about which it previously showed no interest. But the new anti-Turkish position applies across the board. (The American Jewish Committee should be calling for renaming Istanbul any day now. Why not Constantinople?).

    Here's Broder.

    Pro-Israel powerhouses such as the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the Anti-Defamation League and the American Jewish Committee, all of which had advocated effectively for Turkey before relations between Jerusalem and Ankara began to fray, were among the organizations that joined forces with several Greek-American groups to lobby for passage of the Cyprus resolution. Bilirakis said Jewish lawmakers and members of the pro-Greece caucus teamed up to get the resolution passed.
    "Greece determined that closer relations with Israel could diminish the strength of the Turkish-American lobby," said Ekavi Athanassopoulou,a political scientist at the University of Athens.


    And the word is getting down to the community too. "The Greek Islands are prettier than the Turkish islands. And Greece is Israel's friend."

    Hilarious. The islands are all beautiful. But Greece has never been very friendly to Israel, while Turkey always has. Besides, even if it wanted to, Greece cannot offer Israel what Turkey can: a key friend in the Muslim word.

    Previous Israeli prime ministers would understand the necessity of maintaining good solid ties with Turkey. After all, they worked for decades to build them. But not Netanyahu and his sidekick, Avigdor Lieberman. Their foreign policy is all about self-pity, resentment, and spite. In this case, they are spiting themselves and hurting Israel.

    And their pet lemmings -- the "pro-Israel" lobby that is anything but -- are running off the cliff with them.

    For Israel's sake, these people need to grow up. Israel should be friendly with Greece. But it needs to be friendly to Turkey. Is that too hard to grasp?
     
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    What does all that prove? Muslims all over the world, not only in Turkey, were pleased at Obama's election.

    In Egypt - "Arabs are very excited,'' said Mustafa, editor of Democracy Review, an Egyptian quarterly. "People are imagining that he is a Muslim like them and that he is going to bring a new America that is friendly.''

    In India - Muslims in Bihar are calling him an 'American Dalit'. "We are celebrating his victory".

    In the US - "If I can indicate to you the significance of Barack Obama’s election as President of the United States of America in even the smallest way, I will have succeeded with this letter….As for the tears, they are tears of joy. Never stem tears of happiness."

    Muslims obviously saw the 2008 election, at the time, as a victory for them.

     
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    >The Jews still exert great power within our Federal Government.

    Jews may own our Federal Government. <G>
     
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    From the article referenced in post #4:

    Do you believe that to be true? If so, please enlighten me on just how Obama has mistreated or abused Israel.

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    This is actually what's being referred to as abuse (to name a few):

    ".... President Obama because of his efforts to bring Israelis and Palestinians to the peace table....."

    "One, they are tired of even Obama’s timid pressure on settlements and (2) they want a President who will give Israel permission to bomb Iran. George W. Bush said “no” to that scheme as has Obama. But President Palin or Huckabee? They know that they would say “bombs away” in a heartbeat.

    http://mycatbirdseat.com/2010/10/the-israel-lobby-targeting-democrats-for-election-day-defeat/
     
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    Latest example of 'Obama's abuse of Israel'. Fresh off the press:

    "U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has turned down Israeli Premier Benjamin Netanyahu’s call to threaten Iran with military actions in order to end its nuclear weapons program."

    ""We are prepared to do what is necessary but at this point we continue to believe that the political-economic approach that we taking is in fact having an impact in Iran," Gates added."

    "Defense Secretary’s comments came a day after Netanyahu told U.S. Vice President Joe Biden that only a credible threat could stop the Islamic nation from creating an atomic bomb."

    http://www.allheadlinenews.com/arti...equest To Launch Military Threat Against Iran
     
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    You are now asking me to enlighten you about comments that I didn't make?
     
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    OK. I get your point. I'll rephrase.

    Is there something inherently wrong with Muslims being pleased with Obama as president?

    Is there something inherently wrong with Muslims hoping for the Palestinians to get a fair shake?

    Has Obama showed favoritism to the Muslims over the past two years?

    Has Obama abused Israel over the past two years? There ARE Jews that says he has.
     
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    No, Muslims have their priorities. And as per the thread title, is there something inherently wrong with Jews being pleased with the outcome of our recent elections?

    I'm not sure what more the Israelis can do to give Palestinians a fair shake, other than just going away. The Palestinian settlements are surrounded by Arab nations who could easily give them a 'home of their own'. Why don't they do this?

    He has certainly reached out to them with his rhetoric. His opposition to Israeli construction in Jerusalem can be seen as pandering to Muslims. Obama has always spoken differently to different audiences, so maybe it all just comes down to words more than actual policy changes.

    See above.

    There ARE anti-Semites who say there was no holocaust, or that the Jews should "get the hell out of Palestine". Do you defend these comments?
     
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    The thread title is the title of the article referenced in the link, and no, nothing wrong with Jews being pleased with the outcome of our recent elections. The gist of the thread lies in it's first sentence:

    When you make flippant statements like this...:

    “No matter how bogged down the Iraq ground war had become, it would have been easy enough to hit Iran's nuke facilities with a couple of bunker-busters. One or two sorties with an F16 maybe?”
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=1606126#post1606126

    ...you show that you side with the neoconservative agenda. I assume it will make you happy to see the newly elected members of 'The Tea Party' become conformed to neocon foreign policy, which right now is, bomb Iran, which will bring us into yet another war.

    Another war. Do you actually believe that bombing Iran is going to be as simple and sterile as, “ One or two sorties with an F16 maybe”? You're kidding. Right?

    I want to get this thread back on topic. If you wish to carry on a dialog here, then address post #11 and the article written by Joel Rubin, which is exactly on topic with the OP. The newly elected tea party and the neocons.

    Start a thread on it.

    There is nothing special about the physical seed of Abraham, if indeed it even actually in reality exists today. These people should have no more preeminence or should mean no more to Christians than the Palestinians, or the Inuit, or any other ethnic group or race.
     
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    Man, I bet you just hated it when Helen Thomas finally got canned. You could always depend on her!

    "You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews." John 4:22
     
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    ....and the deluded such as you are 'getting played like a banjo string'. The very sad, sad fact here is that there are soooo many of you all that your delusions are bringing the rest of us who are not deluded down with you.
     
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    That's all changing though. This is why those who were and still are being "neoconned" have to resort to demonizing and using what I call the "goering factor" (calling those who disagree with the globalist warmongers unpatriotic and dangerous to the country) instead of debating in a meaningful way.

    The fact is that so many facts and documents have come out now that people are fed up with these dishonest warmongering scoundrels and those who've been supporting them all along and dutifully repeating their lies and propaganda are getting backed into a corner. Name calling and demonizing is about all they got left.

    Illegitimi non carborundum! :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    I haven't seen any evidence of that, although I wish it to be true. 'The Lobby' seems as potent and powerful as ever. I honestly don't have much faith in the tea partiers. Methinks some of them are like lambs going to the slaughter in D.C..

    Smear has always been their #1 tactic. They literally own the media to do it with. They own it.
     
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    I agree. I'm going to further point out that the Jews are racially white.
     

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